Dave: Yeah I think Stwerts doing something similar, I'm looking forward to seeing what he comes up with! But as with many of us, work gets in the way of 3d (dammit!) so just have to hope everyone gets the time to get some done. Steve: Thanks mate, sounds interesting, let me know if you find out what challenge and who it was that did it, would like to take a look. Should have some more updates ready over the weekend, probably on the chainsaw and the room, but I want to make a bit of progress on at least one of the two characters in the scene too! Fingers crossed I'll get some spare time...lol