Eh, kinda a stupid question seeing that i see a perfectly good area to make the bg for the middle part . Stupid question, sorry. Oh, but is there any other way to make banners that you know of that work on any res? Like, I design my top bars with half of it on the left, half on the right.. and a repeating image in the middle.. so that it can go as wide as i need. Then i stick the left image to the left side.. and the right image to the right side.. and put the bg to my repeating image. Do you do this? One other thing, If i am working in frames and set it as a auto scroller so that it scrolls down when theres lots of content, and doesnt scroll when theres less than a page.. i always get like a 20 pixel area on the side where the bar should be (to scroll)... but without the bar there. Do you know of a way to eliminate this? Or do you follow me? thanks.