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# 46 30-06-2003 , 04:36 AM

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# 47 30-06-2003 , 04:47 AM

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Yea, i didnt have time to read this whole thing.. but my cousin works for microsoft and has told me a bit about it. Its called palladium and they will never release another OS. This should be the final one.. then you will pay for major updates gradually over time user added image

. Anyways, i think its a bunch of shit, because sharing files is huge to me as well. I will go over to linux or apple if this happens. there is no way microsoft will crash from this, but it will put a dent in them and make them think about what they have done. If your going to download linux though.. theres subsitudes for all these programs.. photoshop has a substitude.. forgot its name, and supposively maya does as well.. and you know whats the great part... all of its free and they have ALL of the plugins built right into the software.. kinda like super versions! Anyways, i dont want to chat too much.. as i may end up just regurgitating somoene elses post.. cya.

ALrihgt... this is an edit.. i just read some more of this thread and yea.. I didnt know it would be built into the chips. This will kinda suck..as now my computer will just be used for art purposes... hopefully there will be a group of rocket scientest nerds that will take this chip out for us and sell em on the net through ebay! woooohoooo!. Just kiddin. user added image

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# 49 30-06-2003 , 12:43 PM

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# 50 30-06-2003 , 01:15 PM

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I read your post Darkware, and it still doesn't answer my question. Will the chips only be used by Windows, or will the chips be independantly ran no matter what OS you use on it? That was what I wanted to know. I know it cannot be accessed through the software in the form of hacking, but I'm sure Microsoft has access to it in order for Palladium to work as it does. But if the OS isn't written to access or utilize the "Truth" chips, then maybe all OS's won't be affected by it.

If the chip is OS independant, then all new hardware will have this so called "feature".

I do know one way to avoid all of that mess though. Unplug the CPU from the internet! No more worries! Just use your old box for web surfing, and you should be fine. That is unless the internet is required to run the sofware, which would be a load of poop if that is true.

This whole thing makes me sick. Blech...

PS: The photoshop-like program for Linux, or any Unix flavor (BSD, Mac OS X, Next, Solaris, etc...) is called Gimp. There is no free version of Maya available on any flavor of Unix. There is Wings 3D, which is a great modeller, and there are free renderers out there too. But if you are not Unix savvy then you will have some problems once you delve into command line interfaces. Blender is another free 3D package which is pretty cool, although no where close to Maya. I'm sure all of these programs are already available for Windows, because I already have them for Mac OS X. Suffice it to say these "free" programs are no where near the level of the current programs that you are use to. So be prepared for not being able to do a lot of things that you are use to on your Windows machine.

I've looked into getting a Linux system myself, just to learn the Unix side of it, but Apple's Mac OS X has everything I needed. I quickly learned though that Unix is a whole world unto itself. So if you decide to get a Linux system, get a book. Learn all you can about it. Because you can tweak the OS like there is no tomorrow. Make it run super effecient without all the excess code running that you don't need. That's one good thing about Linux.

I'm all for everyone switching to Linux. That way code libraries can be ported super easily between any Unix OS, meaning that Mac's might get more support from software companies like Discreet or even Softimage. But I doubt it will happen.

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# 51 30-06-2003 , 02:12 PM

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From what I read in the article, if your motherboard has TCPA, you can only run Pallidium. No other operating systems will be allowed on that computer.

There is an option to turn TCPA off, however, as I'm sure you will have already guessed, there are severe drawbacks. Read the article if you want to know about them. (third paragraph of question 12 to be precise)

*EDIT* - CONFIRMED - (this is from againstTCPA.com) "The long term result will be that it will be impossible to use hardware and software that's not approved by the TCPA. Presumably there will be high costs to get this certification and that these would be too much for little and mid-range companies. Therefore open-source and freeware would be condemned to die, because without such a certification the software will simply not work. In the long term only the big companies would survive and could control the market as they would like."

I knew they'd tack on a fee.....

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# 52 30-06-2003 , 02:13 PM

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even if it is built in to all OS you can still built your own computer which is actualy a good thing for artist unless they go to the computer( I cant think of the name) that is used most by the industry for digital animation and ect in that area. I thought it was a imac but apprently not its got a weird name but the computer is see thorugh and has handles at north and south end if anythone knows what im talking. That will most likely be my next computer. I know it is used at ringling. Is anyone going there by the way. I am applying soon. I am a senior. Does anyone have anyother colleges to recommend? It is very tough to get into get into ringling mostly for animation. I am trying to find other top notch colleges for animation. so I would appreciate any help?

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# 53 30-06-2003 , 02:29 PM

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Once again, from www.againsttcpa.com - "So in the USA it would then not be allowed to buy or sell systems that are not TCPA-conform."

A bill might be passed soon.

If this bill passes and you want to build your own computer without TCPA, you better do it now because the tcpa-less hardware simply won't be for sale in the future. Oh and did I mention that if you do buy/sell tcpa-less hardware you can get up to 5 years in prison and fined up to $500,000?

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# 54 30-06-2003 , 02:33 PM

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I didnt catch that part. WOW. so eventualy in about 5 years when you need a new computer its destined to be a computer with this B.S. tcpa. even in a apple or a nonmicrosoft computer?

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# 55 30-06-2003 , 02:54 PM

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I wouldn't know if Apple would do this or not. I'm sure there will still be other computers that won't have this chipset in them specifically because not everyone is required to be part of this organization.

The TCPA was founded by Compaq, HP, IBM, Intel and Microsoft. So AMD, and other chip manufacturers might not have this "Truth" chip. So there is still a possibility that you could buy AMD motherboards that are TCPA free. The question is if newer software will need Windows Palladium installed in order to run. If that's the case, then who knows what will happen.

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# 56 30-06-2003 , 03:07 PM

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https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2094167.stm

HAHA!! This news reporter wrote an entire article about TCPA and thinks that it's a good idea. Near the bottom of the page it has a spot for people to respond. Not ONE SINGLE BLOODY PERSON agreed with him. Everyone hates this junk.

wchamlet - "Intel and AMD appear to plan for the second generation of TCPA functionality to be provided in the main processor for free." - from second paragraph of question 21.

Read the faq, read the faq, read the faq. Press Ctrl + f and you can search for any word in the faq. It makes finding information really easy.

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# 57 30-06-2003 , 03:18 PM

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Hmmm... I didn't know that feature. It turns out it's the apple + F key on the Mac. Learn something new everyday. Thanks!

Well, it looks like everyone is screwed on the Windows PC side then. And from your previously edited post, it would seem that even Linux may not run on these motherboards at all. What a bunch of balogne!

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# 58 30-06-2003 , 04:11 PM

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https://www.againsttcpa.com/users-against-tcpa.html

Join the fight against TCPA and voice your opinion. I strongly urge you to write intelligent arguments as what you say will be sent directly to companies supporting TCPA. Think about what you say, spell check, make sure you know what you're talking about, and tell them why TCPA should not exist. I already posted, so if you want to read what I said, look for a "Christopher" and click on the name.

There is also a place for webmasters to join. A-hem. *cough* Kevin *cough* A-hem. Excuse me. user added image

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# 59 30-06-2003 , 07:32 PM

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Uhhhhhh, Can I still download porn with this tcpa thing. If i can it is alright. Ok, Im joking, but being a linux user myself i must say that i will quit using all microsoft products altogether if they decide to go to this tcpa deal. Linux is better than windows anyways, i just dont use it because so many companies dont support it yet(they will soon though). I am all for switching over to linux and putting those retards at microsoft out of business. If you buy anything tcpa related, I will go over to your house and stab you in the toe with a spoon. I am not kidding. Bad Microsoft, BAD!!!!!!!!!!. Kill them all.:mingun: :finger2: :headbang: :2gunfire: :spam3:

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# 60 30-06-2003 , 07:42 PM

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"i just dont use it because so many companies dont support it yet(they will soon though)"

Companies may not switch to Linux. I don't know the specifics, but Microsoft may make them sign a contract or something saying that they will only supply PC's with their software. Then again, maybe they won't. Perhaps if they don't and many, many people switch to Linux, companies will realize how big of a market is out there for Linux users and will begin supplying them with software. Let's hope user added image

Once again from www.againsttcpa.com is a list of about 200 companies that will use tcpa. Note that this list is slightly old, so by now there may be even more. https://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-members.html

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