i think i see what you mean. the locator will be the controller, just like with the hand and when i move this around it will control the foot and move with the leg. the attributes and set driven key stuff will be put on the locator like with the hand. so i'm hoping that when i have all of this done, i can still do the footroll because i'll have assigned the toe curls or rotates but i'll still be controlling where the placement of the foot is by using the locator to position it on the floor. right?! wow, i hope i got it right. i guess there is only one way to find out.