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Old 08-01-2007, 11:22 AM   #151
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hi Jay, yes i knew about that issue with FG you quoted already. its really not that hard, but it takes lots of fine tunning to get the right look. As you can see from the pics I have posted you can have too much SSS, or too little. Placement of lights play a huge role in bringing out the SSS. If using an HDR image you'll have to rotate it and possible add lights to make sure you get some SSS, or else you run the risk of there not being enough back lights to accentuate the SSS. And it all has to balance out.

I am so envious of your talent to produce those texture. oh well. The textures you use on your skin are freaking amazing.

Using SSS with FG/HDR is particularly tricky because MISSS does not have a way (that i know) of controling the color bleed you get from the HDR image. Other Maya shaders can be controlled using the incandescence color under the mental ray tab in the shader node. So what you may end up doing is modifying the colors of your HDR texture to get the results (color bleed) you are looking for. It really is a pain to control it all and find the balance which is why i think a lot of people stay away from it.

I will play a ltl more with the SSS shader on this guy, but im getting burnt out on him. Its defintely a learning experience from a modeling and a shader point of view. Next character should be easier

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Old 08-01-2007, 01:53 PM   #152
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Thanks for the kind words. I'll probably tweak some more then put that up on my website.

Anyway back to YOUR thread....


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Old 09-01-2007, 02:58 PM   #153
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Reading some more I came to the "real" understanding that using FG/HDR is for indirect lighting, not to serve as a substitute for direct lighting, and there is a difference. So, I lowered the intensity of the HDR texture back to 1 and added 3 lights. 1 directional on the back, 1 directional for the shadow, and one area light on the opposite side. I think its looking better. Any comments?
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Old 09-01-2007, 03:04 PM   #154
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Great job onthe texturing and lighting.

If i'm using HDR I generally only use it to get nice refelctions, althought I do rely on it too much...

Are you goning to make a nice roman type of environment?
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:02 PM   #155
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Its definately better, though I think you could turn down the weight on the back scatter perhaps, as its a little waxy still on the face, it just needs to be a a bit harder looking if you know what I mean

I think adding normal lights is always better anyway, it adds more contrast. Far too many people rely on FG or HDRI alone, causing images to look like a cloudy day

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Old 09-01-2007, 10:47 PM   #156
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Jay, i agree with you hehe, I dropped the radious and the weight slightly and got this. Definitely more definition on the face without impacting too much the body.
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Old 05-04-2007, 08:00 PM   #157
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Wow its been a long time since i posted anything in here. Here is an update on this guy.
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:00 AM   #158
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Much nicer Minstrel!

The fuzziness of the MISS shader has gone, the character looks sharper too. Pose him up and get him in an environment.

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Old 07-04-2007, 07:42 PM   #159
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Originally posted by Jay
Much nicer Minstrel!

The fuzziness of the MISS shader has gone, the character looks sharper too. Pose him up and get him in an environment.

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Amen to that!! Dang, why haven't I seen this guy before? He's so cool! I like it a lot! I like that last pic, but I like the skin tone on the previous renders. Try giving him a little deeper of a tone.

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Old 19-06-2007, 05:11 PM   #160
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He guys, its been a while. I am working on rigging this guy, and some other animation stuff, but in the meantime i played some more with the render. I'll post something whenever i get done posing him.
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Excellent work Minstrel. Wouldn't it be cool to give him an indication of hair? You probably want to keep him bald, right, but I am thinking hair stubs. Indication of hair pores, you know, like the shaolin monks rather than the polished bald head of say Kojak. Does that make any sense? =)
I think it would make him look well hard, although the shaved head works well with the big brute image as well.

He does have a heroic look to him, maybe it's his steadfast, determined gaze into eternity so maybe you're taking him in a completely different direction?
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Old 19-06-2007, 06:29 PM   #162
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thx for the comments alpha...but arent the eyebrows enough indication of hair? hehe. The truth is hair is a pain to do, if nothing else for the rendering times required. I could paint something to give indication of hair/pores or something, I dont want to dirty him up too much though. Also, a lot of the skin detail is lost because the camera is not close enough, so I didnt want to spend too much time on that. Perhaps adding different tones in areas where there would be more hair...i'll see.
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Rig it then animate it.


looks good.
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Old 20-06-2007, 12:05 PM   #164
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he's looking better and better every time!! Sweet work my friend! KUTGW

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Old 23-06-2007, 05:33 AM   #165
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A gental warrior. Its quite inspirational. Seems original as well. I think his lioncloth could look more tatered though. Best to ya.
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