thank you guys so much for your comments. I guess I'm just not used to the work that you have to put into a face, I've never gotten this far with one. About not adding more geometry, I'm just following Kurt's tutorial so I've kind of been adding when he's adding, and I think I added one or two with the split poly tool a few times.
I've also been using the poly smooth a little bit here and there but that seems to only screw things up a little more.
I'll see what I can do from here, thanks again and hopefully later tonight I can have another picture or two of the progress on the head so far.
Oh and I'm not using 2008, had to downgrade from 8.5 to 6.5 so I'm back to where I started. Don't have the money yet for 2008, or a computer that can really handle it, haha. Slowly but surely I'll be ready for an upgrade probably when maya 2010 is released, lol.
Thanks again guys