Levano now deal with IBM's kit and support, but everything is still badged as IBM.

'The only reason I can think of that will make me say 'wow' when I'm using Vista is when it crashes before I logon...'


:) LOL

you are kidding? lol

the only reason I have said wow is because I hear it has so many 'phone home' attributes, like dobbin on one as they back up their own CDs they paid for legally! :bandit:

Pffft, who needs a MAC...
http://pcownsmac.ytmnd.com

Windows on MAC!? (Star Wars)
http://macwinsagain.ytmnd.com/

One Reason that PC owns MAC
http://itstoocomplicatedapple.ytmnd.com/

MAC users have one weakness
http://macuserweakness.ytmnd.com/

MAC Intel dual core?!
http://macnoo.ytmnd.com/

EDIT:

Ya-hah! Found the one I was really looking for...:

http://mvpc.ytmnd.com/

Gster, mate, i dont get to see any adverts.., really i am too busy, the only free time I get I spend talking to you guys. I would no doubt agree with you I am sure, I think i did didn't I, I tried o be light hearted and funny, maybe didn't come out that way, but I am sure I would feel the same as you.

6 months and you DIDNT get addicted?? mmm?? i must be me, I have an addictive personality im told, i have to be careful I am told :)

what is suprising is I didnt see your mail last time i wrote, like it just came in this time, maybe just didn't see it??? :confused: :confused:

severinianthony., youll have to do beter than a few links here, too tired to look. I think this is all just some fun we are having, not serious. but looks like could be worth a look if one was looking to buy a computer and was deciding which to buy, mac or pC.., for a lot of us it is a mute question, but thanks.

as a last thing to say this post, yes ,protools with the mac kicks arse, the busing system is incredible, been using cubase for years and I was a PT hater and was forced to get PT, but have learnt what the fuss is all about, it is amazing, a simple example.., can bus a single midi track to as many software instruments as I want, with cubase (under normal operation) one trackequals one instrument. the pT time stretch is incredible too, while cubase time stretch is no slouch either.

I love my Mac, I love my PCs too :)

Architect, CONSPIRACY, what where?? who me, ?? be careful, macs have eyes (or built in cameras) Is someone watching me or do I just feel someone is watching me. :)

mirek03 > 'Architect, CONSPIRACY, what where?? who me, ?? be careful, macs have eyes (or built in cameras) Is someone watching me or do I just feel someone is watching me.'

Deep inside a mountain in a secret underground facility, there is an Xserve that controls the legions of Macs, waiting for all the PCs to be bogged down with Vista before they all pounce... I think I've been watching to many movies... :)

Could be true, if Windows dumps XP off the bat to try and force people to upgrade and apple bring out OSX running on PC's........

Think vistas going to be a nightmare, i for one wont be upgrading for a while!, even though my Pc has the little "Windows Vista Capable" sticker puting it into my mind!

End of the day I was demoing macs for 6 months showing how to get round etc, if I did go to mac I'm mostley running maya/Zbrush/word and video editing anyway so it wouldent make much of a difference to me at all. Like I said install a programme hitthe shortcut to open, off ya go!

gster123 > 'Like I said install a programme hitthe shortcut to open, off ya go!'

So theres no options for customisation? The problem with todays computers (generally) is that everything is too automated like the 'automactic error report' and autoplay with Windows. Its just annoying that the computer seems be in control more than the user.

yea, Vista is a disease that the legions of Macs have let lose on the mainstream world of PCs. The PCs know nothing about it, they believe it is an OS invented by their fearless leader and famous car stealer.., Bill Gates. This is Macs ultimate deception, BILL has been possessed by a Tiger 10.4.8, I Mac, and believes he is an INTELagent, .He believes that the marriage of Mac OS and Windows by Intel will again confuse the little people of earth into believing his veil of good will is genuine.., but in reality he has VISTA, a disease of delusion and dishonesty, all he really wants is MORE money and power.., but the legions of Macs are WAITING quietly, with great anticipation at the coming rebellion and eventual overthrow of billy boy, tipping the balance of power that will bring all Macs out of the dark world of the cave and back into the light restoring the balance of power to its correct alignment with the universe.

the above is in no way an opinion of Simply Maya, it is only mine. they would never endorse this.

edit, end of day, press shortcut/alias, and off you go.., yes and no.., freaks me how micrsoft has become so intrusive on our privacy. BUT in general, i agree with yu.

Really the OS is just the platform to launch your applications from. DOS being the best example of this. Now with demand people wanted more from there OS, so stuff was added, then the internet went public and people wanted more so it was added. Since then the competition opens up and more stuff is added to your OS.

What I would really like is a Linux/Unix Backend and running a Windows based OS (god that soundslike a mac), but I can use my old software on it and it has not grabbed all my hard earned resources to run itself. So Vista is outta the window for me, I would never use it, having played with the Beta 1 and 2. In all honesty, I have been thinking about dropping back to 2000 Pro again.

huuuhuu, long time not been here, but on a topic like this I cannot resist:D

I've been using pc'S for 80 percent of my life, actually not knowing that macs exist. And even then I didn't realy like windows (how can one?) The only advantage windows has, is compatibility, that's it. And concerning me, whenever I needed a piece of software I was able to get it for mac as well.
Now, I've been working on an old ibook for three and a half years now. It is still running very well, I reinstalled the system once, but only because they brought out a new OS.
My college uses pc's, bought around the same time. they are much higher spec, graphics, memory and cpu wise, but wayyy slower. They crash a lot, you get useless updates, only thing they do is make things worse. When you try to "force quit" a programm it takes ages or the whole system crashes, an interface that looks as if it was designed by the "teletubbys" themselves etc... Windows is a notorious trash collector as well, uninstalling never works properly.
About the design, it'S not tha main factor and a lot of people might disagree, buuuut if you work in design and use the computer a lot, it does make a difference wether you have a grey noisily humming box on your desk, or something slik and quiet.

If you really like pc's thats fine, and I don't care what people use or not use, at the end of the day it is ones work that counts and how you achieve the best results.

On a techy basis the reason windows takes soo long to end a process that has crashed it that it writes a dumpfile for it, this is a feature of the kernal and is supposed to allow the OS to be more stable. The quickest way to get a non responsive application in windows 2k or XP is the open task manager and right click on the offending app and choose goto process. If it selects Explorer.exe do not kill it. There may be 2 apps the same so go back to the applications tab and choose the alternative and right click and choose goto Process it should then have chose the corret app click end process button. this stops the dumpprep.exe from running and the PC from crashing.

remember its not the OS that causes these issues its the poorly written applications that do... MS are to blaim for this as the SDK's are not at a low enough level to stop these types of things.

Anyway XP Sucs, Vista requires a super computer and macs are ok for what they can do well.

what you are saying is exatly what I am talking about. It seems to be that you have to be some kind of computer expert to do a simple operation like quitting a program that is not responding. I think at least 90% of windows user wouldn't know how to do this. Apart from that I wouldn't want to worry about stuff like that whilst working.

I support over 1500 users at IF (Intelligent Finance - Internet Bank). If everyone of them knew how to do the more "advanced things" in windows I would be out of a job. I agree, as a user this is not your problem, its down to your support to deal with it.

"be careful, macs have eyes (or built in cameras) Is someone watching me or do I just feel someone is watching me."

wow i just relised that someone could be watching you 24/7... how scary :alien:

yes, and they have feet and legs too and sometimes they just walk around the room.... oh sh*t where's my computer?

haha farb! you never know though.. in the imac since you dont really see inside it, it may have legs :p

R@nSiD > 'On a techy basis the reason windows takes soo long to end a process that has crashed it that it writes a dumpfile for it, this is a feature of the kernal and is supposed to allow the OS to be more stable.'

Yeah, I knew that and I don't have that 'feature' enabled becuase I found out that it actually causes more problems as the writing of the dumpfile sometimes causes another crash thanks to the wonderful quaility of the code.


R@nSiD > 'remember its not the OS that causes these issues its the poorly written applications that do... MS are to blaim for this as the SDK's are not at a low enough level to stop these types of things.'

Microsoft seems to be the evil one here. They make a dodgy OS and make 90% of the world run it, locking the other software companies into making programs for it and then provide dodgy SDKs and that hideous .NET (I have to do that at school). Right now, after having wasted two hours today waiting for the school's Xeon server to recover after a crash with Windows Server 2003, anything UNIX like such as Mac OS or Linux seems pretty good to me.


farbtopf > 'what you are saying is exatly what I am talking about. It seems to be that you have to be some kind of computer expert to do a simple operation like quitting a program that is not responding.'

In my opinion its not that its a 'advanced' thing to do, its just that with most things in Windows, they are buried in a confusing splatter of dialog boxes, wizards, hidden somewhere that requires a full page of text just to describe how to get to it


farbtopf > 'yes, and they have feet and legs too and sometimes they just walk around the room...'

I wonder if they capable of 'dealing' with the competition like those furby like toys in one of the Simpsons episodes... :) Lets buy a Mac and put it in a room with a copy of Vista. If Vista is torn to shreds the next day, consider my theory valid... :)

"...Microsoft seems to be the evil one here. They make a dodgy OS ..."

Not true. Place XP on any box (thats is above recommended specs) and use it without installing a non MS Product. I guarantee it will not get any problems.

Very true Chris.

As for school, college and uni computers I can guarantee they will be more prone to crash no matter what OS is on them as they get seriously abused.

R@nSiD > 'Not true. Place XP on any box (thats is above recommended specs) and use it without installing a non MS Product. I guarantee it will not get any problems.'

I don't think so... Microsoft seems to crash on itself sometimes like with error report generation, automatic updates and stuff. Anyways, a box that has only Microsoft software on it seems pretty useless to me. Anyways, the design of Windows, the OS architecture and the quality of the coding isn't great. That seems to cause a lot of crashes and problems.


gster123 > 'As for school, college and uni computers I can guarantee they will be more prone to crash no matter what OS is on them as they get seriously abused.'

I was talking about the server that crashed, causing me not being able to access my VB .NET assignment on the network drive. Anyways, the servers locked up safefy in a dark room so it can't be abuses.

Your right about the computers in a school having more problems, they are treated very very badly. Our libarians like placing monitors over the cpu intake vent and our admin with a meagre (well its actually a lot but my idea of a basic computer is 5 grand) budget never puts in enough ram but too much demanding software resulting in horribly configured boxes.

Sorry mate, i am not wrong. I have been supporting MS products for over 11 years and have worked on 2 major project roleouts and set up over 4 branch offices for a major UK bank. So I know what I am talking about.

Microsoft has never let me down.

i love microsoft but it has let me down with all the viruses you can catch from just going to a site or opening a program ... dam people creating these trojans,

If that happens(which HARDY does for me) I just do a system restore and its gone.

yeah... also a ghost, think i might do that tomorrow to save my important stuff.

about the mac, i know about 20 people which have got them and no one has complained about any viruses/trojans and even had to format yet.

True, that; those links are meant to be for comedy relief, mainly :D

But a couple of them also prove a good point, as well ;)

As for servers crashing, well they do, A lot of schools are pushed on a budget and tend to upgrade the front end as its the thing that makes people want to use the pc's.

Just been having a look on the web about Mac OS on PC's, apparantly you "can" get a version of Mac OS running on pretty much any PC! Altohugh its not legal. In fact one wesite I just looked at had an article on a PC for sale (a Dell laptop) on e-bay that booted up using Mac OS (it also had windows on it too) and it sold for about £380.

so it looks like it might be an argument of what os is better!! LOL!

Mac for £400!

Think that ive kinda got my perspective on the apple Vs Microsoft, one gets ya on the hardware the other gets ya on the Software! End of the day they both get your money, one way or the other, and the job done.

not on the old pc I used to have, but maybe thats just me. And besides, it is quite a hassle doing this. I don't want to backup my work every time before I access the internet just because I might have to do a restore or something.

You dont it does it on its own.

True but only at set points. unless you make one.

If you keep your virus software up to date and dont to to dogey sites then theres no probs, I know that the Mac guys will say, but youve got to have anti virus software in the first place, but as ive said they are not immune to them its just cos the people that make them havent target macs

Lol i dont use virus software i just dont go to retarded sites.

R@nSiD > 'Sorry mate, i am not wrong. I have been supporting MS products for over 11 years and have worked on 2 major project roleouts and set up over 4 branch offices for a major UK bank. So I know what I am talking about.'

Well knowing Microsoft, they probaly have coding hidden somewhere that lets a computer thats using only Microsoft software be more stable. Anyways, like I said, a box with only Microsoft software is pretty useless unless you want to amazing things like type a Word document (the funny thing is that I write in that program).


starjsjswars > 'Microsoft has never let me down.'

I guess that we all have different expectations. I hate Microsoft for changing the file dates once when something inside Word went crazy (due to the crashing and the freezing I never found out what, just all my .doc files were modified) and I'm pretty sure that it wasn't a virus as I didn't have the net back then and I don't used burned software.


starjsjswars > 'If that happens(which HARDY does for me) I just do a system restore and its gone.'

I don't trust System Restore. Its reliability and integrity is very questionable. So is the Mac's time machine thing. If its supposed to save your data, why use such a unserious trivial interface? I guess its because sticking to the Mac philosphy, recovering your vital data shouldn't be daunting, which in my opinion doesn't make sence becuase since when was a computer a man eating monster? (doh, I'm droning...)


gster123 > 'As for servers crashing, well they do, A lot of schools are pushed on a budget and tend to upgrade the front end as its the thing that makes people want to use the pc's.'

Well servers arn't supposed to crash for obvious reasons. I know schools don't get that much funding, but ours when it comes to computers just keeps on wasting money with major school wide updates that fail in spectacular ways (the old Dells they replaced with homebuilt Athlon 64s proved to be better than the AMDs by 1.5 times).



gster123 > 'Just been having a look on the web about Mac OS on PC's, apparantly you "can" get a version of Mac OS running on pretty much any PC! Altohugh its not legal.'

And people wonder where do you get virus, trojans and spyware...


gster123 > 'If you keep your virus software up to date and dont to to dogey sites then theres no probs, I know that the Mac guys will say, but youve got to have anti virus software in the first place, but as ive said they are not immune to them its just cos the people that make them havent target macs'

Whats wrong with installing Virus scanners and firewalls? Its like having an airbag and seatbelt in your car... its insurance when something bad happens. And I agree that if you don't go to dodgy sites, you'll be fine...

Speaking of Macs and no ones targeting them, its true, its not becuase Macs have awesome security and stuff, its becuase not enough of them do anything interesting enough to warrant the writing of destructive code (many servers use Windows). And I assume that many of those hardcore Mac fans, having never met a virus before, won't even notice that their HD has been wiped before its too late :)

probably true what you are saying. Despite, I do have a virus scanner even though in three years it hasn't found a single virus on my system.


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god, I just downloaded windows media player9 for mac from the microsoft homepage, aaaaaaaand it turned out to be something completely different in the end. Instead of media player I got "ms office test run." Despite the file being labled as windowsMediaPlayer9.
I think that says a lot about MS frame of mind...

farbtopf > 'god, I just downloaded windows media player9 for mac from the microsoft homepage, aaaaaaaand it turned out to be something completely different in the end. Instead of media player I got "ms office test run." Despite the file being labled as windowsMediaPlayer9. I think that says a lot about MS frame of mind...'

Yep, Microsoft is pretty wacko :)

And Media Player is pretty bad. Back in the olden days when all I knew about a computer was how to use it, I had all my MP3s' metadata replaced with endless piles to crap that Media Player got off the net. Apparently, Media Player downloads info from all different kinds of websites to 'fill' in 'missing' data in your MP3s, completely screwing them up (I use file dates for archiving, MS destroyed all that in one internet session).

Whoever designed that feature should be taken off his fancy pay and be given a boring job somewhere far far away from civilisation. The number one essential rule of software design is never under any circustances, I don't care wether its doomsday or snowing outside, should any program modify the user's files without their explicit permission (and always include a confirm box).

Man, this is thread has turned from 'PC vs Mac' to 'Microsoft Horror Stories' :eeek2:

I think I tunes is worse, it automatically changes the format of all your MP3s into AAC so you can only use them on a I pod or I tunes (or it used to) then keeps asking to download updates.

When I got my new PC I downloaded quicktime wihch I tunes comes with and only installed quicktime and disregrded I tunes, it still asks me to get updates for it even thouhg it isnt installed!

Then again Media player always wants updated too and appears to go wacco if you dont get the updates!

Think there both the same in my opinion!

gster123 > 'I think I tunes is worse, it automatically changes the format of all your MP3s into AAC so you can only use them on a I pod or I tunes (or it used to) then keeps asking to download updates.'

Does it keep an original? If it didn't its criminal isn't it??

On itunes you can go preferences>advanced>importing and you can choose between aac aiff mp3 and wav format. About the update when it asked me to update for the first time I just ticked the do not ask me again box, and it hasn't since then.

I did that for the updates, still asks me for them...???

Naw theres a thing you uncheck.

Technically no its not illegal. Once you purchase anything, you are entitled to make a backup of it (as many as you deem necessary). Laws are broken once you sell or distribute those copies.

For the record WMP sucs old rotten eggs. iTunes is great :)