SP3 knocks vista into next week
 

SP3 for XP is out and it is great
it increases speed by about 10%
you can really notice the difference

with it xp is now said to be twice as fast as the rubbish dump that is vista

i apoligise for my alnguage in my previous post
i will refrain from using the v word in future

Wow a third service pack? I might have to check into that.

Have they added DX10 yet???

10% faster? Windows?

I doubt that... probaly just the SP3 of the Microsoft time distortion field in action :)

It seems alot faster
maybe not quite 10%

no it dont have dx10
i dont think it ever will

I have vista 64 bit, and its not slow on my rig... idk why ppl cry about it... the ONLY problem i have with vista is that my 5.1 speakers dont work in it, but SP1 is gonna fix that.

What is an SP anyway? Is it just a big update you download?

yea service pack

Its an update that you get (kinda like apple with the 10.X updates but there free and you dont get lots of pretty little things to play with, just mainly maintanace extra drivers, security updates)

You mean they're kinda like the 10.x.x updates, but they take much longer to release? ;)

Searched MS and cannot find the download or any official info except for Beta stuff.

Does that SP3 only come with 32bit? Or does it come with 64bit aswell. Or can you just download S3 by itself...


Atm, im running XP 64bit SP1 version.(funny thing i havnt had any BSOD's yet with the 64bit version, YEEPEE!)

Nah there like the 10.X updates, but not every year like apple as MS get it sorta right first time and dont need multiple bites of the cherry, haha!!

Chris, its still in the Beta stage mate.

TO GET sp3 i just searched on google for:
download sp3 xp
its the first hit

Why do you keep saying they're "bites of a cherry?" Every version was a big release (at least, they were bigger than Vista). Yeah, Microsoft may have got it right the first time, but 6 years later they finally try a second time and get all their customers crying about how terrible it is.

BETA Version...

I use Auto Updates and it has not made a show yet on the RSS feeds for Home or Business either. As far as I can tell its not an official release yet.

oh
i dint know that..............
dammit im wrong again
its been a bad week for me

anyway the beta version really does make a difference

On the subject of Windows XP, I was going to use Maya for a while after boring myself with a Linux security book, but it crashed while booting and refused to start afterwards. I don't know why people don't have problems with Windows. :)

Looks like its gonna be a reinstall. Its pointless to fix Windows, it will just break in the next week or so.

Does anyone know when the SP3 will become official? I might try it.

vista SP 1 is on its way. so im not feeling too bad about switching just yet.

i turned off all the bells and whistles and make it runlike xp runs, and it uses a lot less resources. i have 32bit with OC ddr2 ram 4gb and running athlon X2 5000+

Vald,

you have the key element for running Vista. RAM, but folks be aware, Vista takes 1/2 of whateva amount of RAM you have for itself and only releases what it needs to. SO your 4Gb will turn into 2 as soon as the OS runs.

Go back to 2000 I say, best OS MS have ever had.

2000? The most insecure version of NT ever!

There's this service or protocol meant for recieving 'useful' messages from Microsoft (probaly ads and stuff) but has been used to send pop up spam and malware. Seriously, your computer will get owned in minutes! Used to use 2000 before XP and I had to block it with the firewall, but it still eats your network bandwidth. Evil!! :rant:

I used 2000 for over 6 yrs both at home and at work, and I never had any of the issues you had.

2000 was the most stable systems MS have made to date, thats why it was the best. And SP4 sorted out 99% of the problems. No one will ever create a 100% secure OS. It will never happen, thx to the worlds pool of reverse engineers.

TBH u sound like one of the many MS haters out there lol.

Maybe its confined geographically, who knows?

Security you say?

*mumbles incoherently*

...netfilter/iptables... dac... aide... mac... tin foil...

lol :beer:

If there so "big" then why are they not full versions, they are bites of the cherry to try and get it right, oh and you pay for them.

That previous commest was meant to be a joke BTW

What do you mean they weren't "full" versions? Because it didn't take them 6 years to make one they aren't counted as a step forward?

And how did they not get it right? As far as I've seen, each version wasn't a screw up (like the "V" word was ;) ).

Vista isnt a screwup its just they way MS wanted the OS too run like that. But I dont enjoy how it runs but its a nicer OS.

If its right then theres no need to keep bringing point updates is there??

Either give the updates free, OR actually say there "full" updates as in 10, 11, 12, 13. How many versions have there been in the 6 years of OSX, its about one a year, which is excessive for an OS, especilly if you have to pay for it.

So you're saying that it isn't a failure because MS has it the way they want it, but everyone else hates it?

I would rather pay for a major update every year than wait 6 years for a rip-off of what's already been made.

About the major numbering, I don't know why they didn't go that way. I think that OS X has a better ring to it than XI or XII.

Yeah Mr WHO.

MS are a corporation and they do want they want not what the public want.

They will be developing a new OS as we speak ready to step into Vistas shoes and once that's launched XP will no longer be supported. This then causes all businesses using XP to Migrate to either Vista or they newer operating system. MS only support 2 live OS's, currently XP and Vista. This also forces all MCP/MCSE/MCSA qualified people to have to resit exams at around £120 per exam and there can be anywhere between 3 - 8 to sit.

Why? Money. So working on that they are not going to do wot everyone else does, they do it their way, I mean its not Burger King (Moto - Have it your way).

I do agree that companies aren't always supposed to do what people want, but there's a point where you can screw it up too badly. People do tend to complain a lot about new things, but then get over it.

But look at Vista. It took them 6 years to make, and it's been out for a year, yet people are still complaining in droves.

Now thats the thing, isnt it, you would "Pay" for an update every year that you get some "new features", I on the otherhand would rarter stick to what I know works.

On the rip off side, isnt that what happnes with Apple as its pretty much the same as Linux, which is free....

OS X you say... isn't that Apple's propietary distrubution of BSD with large chunks from GNU and other free/open source projects? :)

As for updates, I get mine every six months for free, not including the cost of the DVD and the effort it takes to get that iso file into it of course. Looking forward to version 9 in April, hopefully KDE 4.0 would have worked out most of the bugs!

Many thanks to the Fedora Project! :beer:

Really I will go over this again and again. Having been a Project Technical Leader and Level 3 Support Specialist in MS apps and OS systems for about 11 yrs, i think ppl miss the point.

Microsoft have a vision, and that vision wont change because home users do not like there OS, Microsoft don't care what the home user thinks of the OS, and really dont care that much about businesses either, but they do tend to prick up and ear to the larger corporations who spend millions a year in MS licences. and they know ppl will not dorp Windows for other OS's like Linux that are free due to the huge business implications involved with an Open Source OS or software, theres too much risk. The only care what some businesses think as they are the ones who pay through the nose to have 75,000+ Laptops, Desktops, Workstations and Servers all running their OS.

Also u cant just pick on 1 company for having something "in the making" for a prolonged period of time. Everything takes time and money, and that moves me nicely onto another factor.

MS developed Vista in 6 years and from what your typing I'd say u think thats either too long or long enough to fix every little bug and issue they had during development. MS will have spent millions on the development of Vista and they need to claw that back, so they release and all the companies pick it up and start shipping it on new hardware, impatient ppl go buy it and then there are those who "download it". MS are forced into "earlier than they would like" release dates due to money and finacial constraints that require actioned otherwise they will suffer in certain areas or departments.

The same situation exists in the Games Development Market (this situation primarily only counts for the PC market) and the application/software development market, where a developer gets funds from the publisher and makes the game with their own and the publishers money. The deal is struck and after 5 -10 years the game is realeased, but shock horror there are bugs. OK the bugs were never fixed at development as there was no time and the publisher is loosing vast amounts of money as the realease has slipped a few months (or years if ur talkin about Duke Nukem 4 :p). So they fix the issues with patches or in the case of software Service Packs.

I hope this clarifies this and we can start moaning about why Apple suc and the MAC OS X is just a glorified version of Linux :p

Ah, those Microsoft visions... seriously, check your gas appliances. Either they are leaking gas or are not working properly, thus releasing vast amounts of potentially deadly carbon monoxide! :eek:

Duke Nukem I hear? Duke Nukem 4EVER! :attn:

OK, now we can go on about why OS X is just another BSD distro... like NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, BSoD, etc... :)

Haha, you got me there. ;) I have looked at Linux before and I have to say that it looks more like Windows than OS X.

In the end, everyone is going to copy each other, but who does it best is the one that matters.

Looks like Windows? :eek:

I have to say, I see no shades of bad-horror-movie green anywhere and my windows do not have silly translucent borders. :)

As for the copying game, I think Microsoft does it best. How much originality do you see in their products? :)

To be honest, the same as I see with many, many other large companies, in fact I would have to look hard at anything a large company has done that they have done themselves, only smaller companies come up with new Ideas as there the ones that can take the risk (or researchers in uni's which contribute the most to new ideas and directions). The larger comapnies take the Ideas that have promise and then develop them into a package.

One of the problems is that the larger the companys market share and competition pretty much less R+D into stuff outside the core business, more of it goes on sorting out problems and developing exisitng products.

Not really... take IBM for example. Its a big company, yet their Cell processor was pretty unique. And Sun's T1 and T2 processors were pretty original as well, though Sun is a much smaller company. Its the likes of Microsoft that don't really have much innovation.

As for large companies spending more effort to solve existing problems, thats a valid point, but Microsoft seems to have more problems with software than any other company - and they don't always tell you that there is a problem.

The cell processor wasnt just IBM, it was IBM, Sony and Toshiba, which doenst make it a single development done by one company.

Where's it goign to be used, by IBM to put in Servers which is one of there core businesses so it's in their interest of gaining more business, as with the PS3, again a core business for Sony, as I said.

Computing (esp software and interface) falls into a de facto standard so its not so much to do with inovation its to do with what works and gets used in practice, Apple will probably take the credit for multitouch and gesture with the Iphone and MAC Air, but they were far form the first people to do it.

Even with MS's problems with their softwares its still the de facto, and unless they do somethinig stupid like start to make there own "hardware" to limit problems with drivers and softwares, and only package their OS with there own hardware, they will be for the forceable future.