3D Misconceptions
 

Does anyone find that most [ignorant] people say 3d is easy and requires no skill?

At school we were discussing the definition of art and according to the dictionary its something that requires skill and eventually we came to 3d and immediately someone said "but that doesn't require any skill" and to my astonishment everyone agreed with him.

Just today i was showing my grandparents my baby elephant model and my ignorant brother who wants to learn 3d but cant be bothered said that he could do that really quickly even though hes never modeled anything in his life. He assumes its easy and says that it doesn't take long to learn [how to do everything in 3d]

Does anyone else find this a problem?

I want my brother to try 3D so he will see that its not so easy.....

What do you care what anyone thinks, and your little brother is probably or a little jealous or he is just pulling your leg.
Remember that in the time of Vincent van Gogh everybody thought he sucked and now we pay miljons to get a little sketch from him.
don't do 3d for the rest of the world, just do it for yourself

Well of course 3D doesn't require any skill... I mean, its like related to computers isn't it? :rolleyes:

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because it's a bloody ******* pain in the ******* ass and i wish those mother ******* would die!
ok, not actually....but it is a pain in the ass when someone makes fun of you, or says you're doing something becaus of some label that doesn't even apply to you, or thinks your work is easy when you've had a ******* hard time doing it.
and it REALLY pisses me off when someone says 'you have too much time on your hands'... they don't say it to rally drivers or rugby players... how is this any different?

funny you should mention this, ele, cuz my cousin (whos like 28 or older... i dont actually know) was like 'you could just create the wedding in cgi'
i was like 'yeah that's totally gonna take longer and more effect than filming the wedding'
and hes like 'nah, you guys can do it really fast'

ok, he might have been trying to be nice (where the hell did anyone even know i can do cgi i'll NEVER know... i haven't shown anyone my work outside my friends) or perhaps he really did think it was easy from what he's seen


i think the common misconception about this stuff being easy comes from what they show in the 'behind the scenes' of films and games
all people see are others just moving a few polygons around or zooming around a map, but never do you see someone say 'this is how i made davy jones and it took me a month to make)

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My favorite is when people are like, "ZOMG, YOU DREW THAT?!"

:rolleyes:

oh, yeah...

Mom: "My son does computer drawings!"
Me: "No mom, 3D Models"
Mom: "Ok"

it gets annoying.

and yeah elephant, I hate when people do that

Haha, every time my mom tries explaining stuff I yell at her. She thinks I'm into graphic design… after 2 years she still can't get it right. lol

i had/still have trouble explaining camera tracking to my girlfriend, but apart from that never had people belittle what i want to do.

thankfully she and most of my friends understand artistic processes and therefore appreciate the hard work and effort that go into making a good model.

your brother is just young and -as was mentioned earlier- most likely jealous.

I'm lucky I guess, everyone I associate with realizes it's hard work, especially my parents (mom mostly)

My brother is actually older than me (and a member of mensa, as am i)......
The thing that angered me was that he was belittling my work in front of my relatives and saying its easy and pretending to know what hes talking about

and i do do it for myself...

my mum always says drawings as well.....

the thing that annoys me is that my brother genuinely believes its easy and that he could learn it in no time.

what i do like is when my nerd friend had the same opinion but then, not wanting to be hypercritical, tried it himself and found out that it is really quite difficult.


What REALLY annoys me though is that (background info: i used to do stopmotion animation) people were really impressed by my plastacine models and stopmotion animations that in comparison took no time at all yet they are all to quick to mock my 3d, ok im bad at it but a dam site better than them

yourFriend.Respect++;

my mum doesn't even know what i do...
hell i dont even know what i do....

In my experience, I find people don't get the concept of 3D graphics. When I was in high school I used to show my work around. People would ask why I called it "3D" when it was flat (they expect IMAX).

Expaining any processes related to 3D graphics also results in lol. Once, I was chatting with a buddy about modelling and the guy next to me asked me, "What? You model?"

No, I can't get you a photo of Adriana signed by the goddess herself... ;)

lol

Ive noticed that traditional artists don't seem to respect 3D because once it is created it can easily be re-created, it isnt as uniqe or one of a time, which is kinda true except that they forget that the initial model has to be created from scratch.

My Mother is a painter and when i used to talk about 3D work i was constantly having to explain that it is much harder than it seems. Fortunatley dissapearing for hours at a time and constantly getting critique made her realise that it is hard.

I reccomend just reminding people that it is hard everytime it is brought up untill they just ignore you and pretend to agree.

I think that's the general attitude that people have when they "think" they know what something is about based hear say and/or dummied down, abbreviated information and not actually experiencing it with an open mind. Plus people seem to think because computers are involved its automatically effortless since the computer does EVERYTHING and all you do is sit there click stuff and look dumb.

Of course you have the people who think because something has been around longer is better and more respectable (I still think Van Gogh sucks) and if new things catch on too much there may no longer be a place for them, it makes them uncomfortable and they say what they want to say. Some people just don't respect art PERIOD, they'll probably think a shit smear on a canvas is deep and brooding if enough wealthy people say it is.

Then you have the people who wish they could but are not creative, or are too lazy to really give it a shot so they end up trying to piss on anyone who's making some headway.

Don't live based on what other approve, do your thing, they don't like it they can jump off a bridge, its your life and yours alone. That's it I'm done ranting.

Personally, I let it go, people only come up with that rubbish due to a lack of understanding, member of mensa or not (maybe theres a misconception of mensa members in there...).

Its like people seeing some one playing say the drums or guitar, and with no knowlage of the instrument go "ohh I can do that, it looks really easy." Which I would take as a compliment.

Untill they actually try it its only then thay can have a true informed opinion.

Ohh and they wll be looking for the "make cool" button or the "realistic render slider" within 10 mins flat.

In my experience it is a bit more than lack of understanding. Some people seem to have a "hatred" of computers and like to belittle those who use them.

I once met a woman who insisted that computers were nothing more than "dumb" pieces of plastic and metal and that anyone who used them was either a "lazy bum" or were "too stupid" to do anything the "real way" becuase the computer "did" everything for you.

A "hatred" of something is just a lack of understanding for what it is/does.

Your point about the woman pretty much demonstraites a complete lack of understanding and the lack of desire to learn a new skill, hence the opinion she has. Does she live in a cave somewhere???

And if it doesn't have that option, it sucks lmao

But I'm sure that plenty of people have no idea what a computer is and they don't "hate" it. I saw a news report about this charity providing computers to children in Africa. They were amazed by a computer and didn't try to burn them becuase they were "evil" or something. :)

Which reminds me that back in high school, my vis com teacher was very supportive of students using computers as part of their projects. New macs and wacom tablets for everyone. And she didn't really understand 3D either, she was mostly Photoshop, Corel Draw, etc.

No one said they did. What I said was that people that say they "hate" something have a general lack of understanding and a preconcieved fear of it which leads to the "hate", not that if you dont understand something that you automatically "hate" it. C'mon dont take everything so literally....

I should try to have a conversation with someone when a 3d film is actually 3d (stereoscopic) its a nightmare.....



The first few time i did let it go but it keeps coming back up


It is just so frustrating that ive struggled so much and people think its easy and.... </rant>
I better stop now....

Dont let it bother you, if people think its easy then let them, as I said its only if you've done it and done it well that you can say if its easy or not.

I see it a lot of the time where people expect to get the skills and the knowlage right away to just go and do what they want, cos its easy, that goes for anything.

Thats how you have a really good user of anything, someone that can create what they want without hesitation and make it look easy.

People think welding is easy, people think plumbing is easy, people think car repair is easy, so on and so forth. But if you get right down to it like people have said already people like to say things are easy when they have no idea what they're doing.

I've experienced this so called easy welding, and I'll tell you, it's not easy at all! But when people see someone doing it they're always saying how they could do it, or they could do it better. The actual process of welding is not that hard, but making it look good is the hard thing

Plumbing I've experienced, also not as easy as people say it is.

Car repair, let me just say, all these people say it's easy to this and that to a car, but if thats the case why are these same people bringing it to a garage to have it done?

People like to claim things are easy when they know jack shit about it. I was playing guitar and this kid told me that guitar was so easy and so on, and I asked if he played he said no because it was too easy. So I handed him a guitar, a book of music and a book of tabs and told him to learn any song he wanted, and he had 1 hour since it's so easy... he failed and realized it's not easy.

And the same thing goes for all this 3d, you can't let people get on your nerves like that, unfortunately you'll get that a lot with the ignorance of people you basically either have to ignore them, let them believe they're right, or prove them that they are wrong. I like to do a mixture of letting people believe they're right and prove them wrong all in the same sitting, makes me feel better.

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i know this has already been dealt with but i'm not sure where this comment came from
i see nothing in this sentence that points to what you said there Architect, it's a one way thing

anyway, elephantinc, you should stick your bro infront of Maya, give him the time he claims he can do it in, and yeah... just like mr camel did with the kid and the guitar

Don't people just get more p*ssed off when you show them how it is? They start going on about how you set them up for fail, how stupid x is and that it should be done like this and that...


On the subject of ignorance, get a load of this:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/techno...584755498.html

I really like point 8: "Today we all program computers, by the very act of using them." :rolleyes:

People dont get pi**ed off if you show it to them the right way, its all about teaching people.

I have stuck my brother in front of maya, but he doesn't have the patience to even load it up....

one thing that annoyed me recently though was the one person who realised that its hard (afore mentioned friend) didnt believe that id made those kirbys, he accused me of stealing them


Its not just 3d though, i play ice hockey and people assume its easy (when they cant even ice skate) and my brother tells everyone that im rubbish at it and hes never even seen me play!

I forgot to mention that my brothers nickname at school is hitler (no joke)

haha, what does one do to deserve such a nickname?

So yeah, I play the flute to, and people tend to think it is easy to. It's not at all.
And if I hand it too them, they can't even make a sound, haha.

85% of people are completely stupid and ignorant anyway, so just deal with it. Luckily the other 15% encompasses SimplyMaya.

Well by being a complete twat really, and looking a vaguely like him

Wowzers, possible edit for language needed?

Just reverse it, find out what he's good at and then learn it and just say thats easy... What siblings do isnt it?

Thats the problem, hes not good at anything (in particular).
he has no hobbies, he just plays games.
I can deal with him one on one but what i hate is when he tells everyone haw easy it is when im not there. He tells all my relatives that he CAN do it, even though he has never even tried

sorry for language but ive never really seen Tw@t as a profanity. Yet i see cr@p as one and the rest of the world doesnt seem to....

Dont pay any attention to him then as that appears to be what he wants, attention.


The word you used is pretty extreme its like a 8-9/10 where cr*p is like a 2/10, then again I remember when the use of any swear word on TV was always after the watershead now, now there commonlace

Really? I thought it was more like 1/10

I dont give him attention, he comes to me, i tell him go go away but he doesnt. I just ignore him and he steals my things.

Try saying "oi T" and "oi C" and see the difference it makes to strange people round you..

If you said C to me I would take it as a joke, T, well I would take offecnce, literally.

oh, is it a regional thing? Around here no one seems to think its that serious and it is used in programs with age ratings of quite low, such as in red dwarf, "lets get out there and T it" and RD never uses particularly bad language....

I looked at definitions and go this:
n 1: a man who is a stupid fool [syn: fathead, goof, bozo,
jackass, goose, cuckoo, zany]
suggesting its not that bad

but i also found this:
2: obscene terms for female genitals

Both definitions cropped up alot

Another example:
twat
Noun
Brit, Austral & NZ taboo slang
1. the female genitals
2. a foolish person [origin unknown]
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. twat - a man who is a stupid incompetent fool
bozo, cuckoo, fathead, goof, goofball, jackass, zany, goose
fool, muggins, saphead, tomfool, sap - a person who lacks good judgment


both examples dont suggest its that bad
Anyone else have opinions on it?

Must be regional, Lancashire to Yorkshire....

I've never seen a Red Dwarf that says lets "Tw@t" and go and Ive watched it for years, and when it was made, and repeats, (late 80's, 90's and I would not have thought they would have had that in at all, as A*se and C*ap were very vulgar then, and a lot of the swear terms were "smeg") though it may have been about the time when it came in to popular culture, as it seemes that at the time it came into being popular as a vulgar swear word at high school, though if theres a clip I would be interested in seeing it.

Lets put it this way if you called me cr*p I would le it go, call me the other and I would take it further.

The instance of the word is a reference to female genitals in a degenerative way, which is a lot worse that "crap", its more to the other "C" word.

Any who if I was a mod I would have edited it, but I'm not so I can bang on!!!

In red dwarf lister says it in the episode "polymorph". he has his fear removed and says lets go out there and T it. I think its series 3 but it might be 5

Joop: the flute is pretty tough, i remember playing a it for a year or so, in a class full of girls (i was the only boy)

first time heard it being used as female genetals....

at uni we get a sort of ID thing for internet stuff like email, it's made of our first letter of our first name and first three letters of our last name and then followed by some numbers

one of my frieds id thing was twat<numbers i dont remember>, so he never posted on thecs forums

i always thought it meant 'fool'


you know what really pisses me off though?
is when someone says 'you have too much time on your hands'
it's soooooooo insulting
it's like... no one says and every other person who's done something that takes a long time has too much time on his hands!

even if its something functional or really good someone is going to say 'you have toomuch time on your hands' :angery:

I know Wikipedia isnt 100% but

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twat

Sums it up as what I define it as, but hey if its become a commonplace word for fool, shows my age, as I take it as being a very vulgar term. Oh its also used to mean punch or hit, probably the Red Dwarf meaning