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Rhetoric Camel 17-01-2010 08:53 PM

quadro FX 3450 card issues?
 
Does anyone else on these forums have this graphics card? If so I was wondering if you are also having issues watching 1080p hd videos on youtube? I am, it's like a jumpy slideshow trying to watch them, and not just on youtube but also the videos on my hard drive. I have an HD camera and the 720 play smooth on my computer but the larger 1080 are jumpy and looks like I'm watching a slideshow of pictures.

Just curious if it's my graphics card or not.

Computer:
Windows XP SP3
Intel Pentium 4
3.50gb RAM
3.2GHz
Nvidia Quadro FX 3450

I've scanned and taken care of viruses, malware, and spyware on my computer. I've cleaned the hdd as much as I can and I've done a defrag. None of which has helped. It's an issue in Firefox, IE, and videos straight off the HDD. Videos seem to play fine on my girlfriends Duo core pc... wondering if maybe it's just because I'm still using "old" technology. Or if maybe it's just my graphics card? I got this card because it's under the recommended list for maya, hasn't caused issues until recently with hd. Also kind of happens to all flash on the internet lately to. I am up to date with flash also, and all my drivers are up to date to.

Any ideas? I've been all over looking for help and would do a hijack this log if anyone can help me with all of that since I don't know what any of it means when I do it. If you can help with that pm me we can do it through there.

Edit: here is the video that I uploaded to youtube just to test out my new camera's hd and to see it on youtube. It works fine on my girlfriends duo core 64-bit but not on my computer. If the hd button isn't clicked on it plays fine but once the HD is clicked on then it turns to garbage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIucZ7IKsZ0 nothing special just some snow falling in my backyard.

NextDesign 18-01-2010 05:14 AM

Re: quadro FX 3450 card issues?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Rhetoric Camel
Computer:
Windows XP SP3
Intel Pentium 4
3.50gb RAM
3.2GHz
Nvidia Quadro FX 3450

Two problems. No it isn't your video card, as it's not doing any processing while watching videos, just drawing it onto the screen.

Your problem is with your CPU, and OS.

Non-64 bit OSes can only see 3 gigs of ram tops. Some can see 4 through a motherboard setting; but I don't think this is the problem, as I've seen 2 gb machines play 1080p.

I think the problem you are having is with your CPU. I have a 2.5 GHz Pentium 4, and I have the same problem as you. Your CPU can just not keep up with the sheer amount of data that 1080p contains.

For example:

1280 x 720 = 921600 pixels
1920 x 1080 = 2073600 pixels

100 x (921600 / 2073600) = 44% more pixels than 720p.

Your CPU just can't take it.

stwert 18-01-2010 05:20 PM

Re: Re: quadro FX 3450 card issues?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NextDesign
100 x (921600 / 2073600) = 44% more pixels than 720p.
Your CPU just can't take it.

Other way around... more than double the pixels!! But your point stands :)

Rhetoric Camel 18-01-2010 10:17 PM

alright thank you very much, I was pretty much set with that being the explanation but felt the need for confirmation from someone else. Looking into buying a new computer but don't even know where to start and can't really go out of the $1500 range, psu and graphics card don't need to be great because I'll be replacing stock psu with my 550watt (unless the new computer is better than that) and I'll be replacing my graphics card with this one.

Thanks again for the help I appreciate it.

Chirone 18-01-2010 11:45 PM

in that case why not just buy the parts you need?

Rhetoric Camel 19-01-2010 12:27 AM

I don't know much about building a computer, and ordering all the separate parts from different places just seems a hassle to me... unless it's easier than I think it is... I don't even know where to start on that either.

NextDesign 19-01-2010 04:56 AM

What is your price range? You can get quite a good computer for around $1500

Less than that if you already have some components.

Chirone 19-01-2010 06:18 AM

i watched my friend build my computer, it didn't seem that hard...

although i went to put in a card reader by myself and it took me a very long time because i didn't know how to make a slot for it in the case....

you need a friend who will put the pieces for you together!
it's not too too hard trying to figure out what you need, given what you want to keep you just need a new processor, ram, motherboard, case (i'd assume if you have cd/dvd/blu ray drives you'd keep that, and the thing you use to connect to the internet, and the harddrive unless the motherboard wont accept whatever the harddrive uses to connect to the itself)

not sure what else you need...

you probably wouldn't need to go all over the place looking for the pieces either, just avoid the online only shops and ones that look like they'll just take your money and run

and if you can't find a friend who will piece the stuff together there's probably people on the internet who will tell you

Gen 19-01-2010 06:14 PM

I really like the whole process of building a new PC and that's something I didn't think would happen initially. Once you get a good grasp of it, there will be less headaches in the long run and it'll save you cash, so I say go for it. After dealing with some hit and miss stores, I've been shopping at Newegg (online joint) for some years now and they've always been reliable and pretty fast (lol that sounds like a plug but since you said you didn't know where to start I thought I'd share my experience).

It's easy enough to get help online to find out what are good and compatible combos but as Chirone said, see if you can get a buddy to assemble or at the very least slap your hand away if you're about to do something stupid.

stwert 19-01-2010 06:22 PM

Yeah, the real pro side to not getting a pre-built machine is that you get exactly the components you want. Often the assembled machines will have some highlighted parts like the CPU or GFX card, but then the power supply or mobo will be crap. (This is a random assumption on my part unsubstantiated by personal experience). Hope it helps.

Gen 19-01-2010 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stwert
Yeah, the real pro side to not getting a pre-built machine is that you get exactly the components you want. Often the assembled machines will have some highlighted parts like the CPU or GFX card, but then the power supply or mobo will be crap. (This is a random assumption on my part unsubstantiated by personal experience). Hope it helps.
I hear that. I see that way too often, fast cpus with an amount of RAM that seems like an afterthought all slapped on an ambiguous motherboard with a layout that doesn't give much room for upgrade, not to mention the preinstalled bloatware, bleh. Plus who doesn't like picking out a bad ass looking case to house all their sexy components.:D

NextDesign 19-01-2010 10:34 PM

It's just as simple as picking out parts however. You need to make sure that they are compatible with each other, speeds, etc. If you give us a ball-park amount you are willing to spend, we can go from there.

Also, my friend, who has never even opened up a computer in his life, managed to put together his new computer in under 2 hours. Just don't shock the components! :D

Gen 19-01-2010 11:19 PM

I wouldn't say that's the general experience, I know people who wasted $$ because they didn't even realize when they broke something, like the little snap you feel when you install a video card is completely different than a snap that happens when you force a huge video card in and break off a sata port that's in use, only to smell the motherboard burning when the machine starts up. Sloppy water cooling installations etc Sometimes things get tricky and inexperience can cost you.

Rhetoric Camel 20-01-2010 12:56 AM

thank you everyone for your response

I don't have much money right now, I'm kind of including my tax money already although I don't know what I'm getting back and what I'll have to spend out of it, but I'm estimating with what I have saved now and what I'll be able to spend, roughly $1500 is what I would like to spend.

I don't play many games on the computer and would like it to be able to handle maya and hd videos without being choppy. Other than that not much for preferences. I'm not against building one on my own, pretty much just slightly intimidated, I've worked on computers a little bit here and there for friends that need help changing things out but never actually put one together from scratch.

Basically I'm not computer hardware illiterate, I know the do's and don'ts and I do have a grounding strap that I use whenever I work on a computer.

Gen 20-01-2010 01:17 AM

Oh well pshh if you got it like that to have grounding straps and stuff you shouldn't worry, go for it.

Rhetoric Camel 20-01-2010 01:29 AM

Alright GecT maybe I'll look around and see what I can come up with

soooo... anyone want to help me shop for my computer parts? haha

Gen 20-01-2010 01:55 AM

I'll help if you want. Whats your budget?

Rhetoric Camel 20-01-2010 03:28 AM

Since I'm still in the process of saving up a bit more I'm going to say $1500

NextDesign 20-01-2010 05:17 AM

Ok... So you have a Quadro FX 3450 eh? So you need PCI-E for that...

If you want good preformance with Maya, a dual or quad core should do the trick.

I prefer AMDs over Intels. There have been some problems regarding the i7s while rendering (dropping cores). Not sure if this has been fixed though. Problem with the i7s, is that the motherboards cost a fortune.

So, for a general CPU there are:
AMD Phenom X2 (Dual Core) clocked at 3.0 Ghz, for ~$88 USD
AMD Phenom X4 (Quad Core) clocked at 2.8 Ghz, for ~$140 USD

I would go with the quad core, as rendering is very computationally expensive. If you're just modeling, then the dual should work just fine. You can of course up, and lower the clock speed if you wish. The black edition is built for over-clockers, but I wouldn't think about that if you don't know what you're doing, or if you don't have money to burn.

You'll need a new fan for the new cpu, or use the stock cooler provided with the cpu.
Great fan. Quiet and cool. Big though (94 x 131 x 152 mm)

Note: You may need to buy a new case for this fan

Your old power supply should be fine. Check the connectors though on the motherboard; they might be different.

Video card: 85 W
CPU: 80 -> 95 W
= ~180 W

Your motherboard will need to be replaced as well, as the Pentium 4, and the AMD Phenom X4's have different socket types. The X4's use the AM3 socket.
* ASUS AM3 Motherboard with 4 DDR3 ram slots, 2 PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots (for multiple video cards), 2 PCI-E x1 slots, and 2 PCI slots. Comes with an ATI Radeon HD 3300 built into the board, HDMI, eSata, etc
* GIGABYTE AM3 Motherboard. Less features, but cheaper. Same amount of ram slots, 1 PCI-E x16 slots, 2 x1, and 2 pci. No onboard video.

You might be able to use your old ram. If not, you could try these:
* G.SKILL 4GB (2x2GB) (For some reason say they're for i7; will check this out)
* Crucial 4GB (2x2GB)

So right now you're looking around $450. I'll ask the tech guy at my work and see if he can make any other recommendations.

Hope this helps mate.

stwert 20-01-2010 05:29 AM

I can vouch for the i7... renders using all cores, at least on my machine. The pro for the i7 is the hyperthreading, so I can render with 8 virtual cores (granted, not as good as 8 physical cores, but better than just 4).

NextDesign 20-01-2010 03:10 PM

Ehh... I don't know. I don't like "virtual" things. Just like "virtual memory".

The i7's themselves may be cheap, but the motherboards can be pretty pricey.

stwert 20-01-2010 05:25 PM

One of these days I'll try turning off hyperthreading and do a render test to see what kind of improvements it actually makes.

My motherboard is an Asus P6T Deluxe v2, which has a lot of capacity/features. It was about $300 if remember correctly. You don't want a cheapo mobo either, cause if you have to replace that, you might have to replace everything.

Rhetoric Camel 22-01-2010 12:26 AM

thanks everyone for all the help, I really do appreciate it!!

NextDesign 03-02-2010 05:38 AM

Just overheard some of the guys at my work talking about this. It's a card that you put into your computer, that allows most machines to play 1080p video.

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3701

It's a mini-pcie card, but you can get converters. I'll talk to them tomorrow (today now) and see what I can do.

There is also Nvidia's PureVideo Decoder. Pretty cheap, and your card is supported. Try it here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/dvd_dec...223-trial.html

Hope all this helps mate.


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