Yes and if you do move it, please say "moved - and why"

I agree but now the US goverment will give them power and it will be OK. Our goverment is good for doing STUPID thing like this.:mad:

I Agree with 3DJoe.

The US gov, and to a lesser extent, local state govs LOVE the idea of centralized control, i.e "Big Bro" to some level.

I just hope that it doesn't get out of control, to the point of lunacy.

For example, will my newborn have a chip implanted in thier arm at birth and a small tattoo that says: "Intel Inside"?

Sounds funny, but it is happening in Miami already:)

...minus the tat:)

Maya is available on Linux. Actually both Complete and Unlimited are available. Alias|Wavefront will only support Maya on Red Hat Linux. If you want to use it on any other flavor of Linux, you may not be able to get support from A|W.

And if I am not mistaken, Red Hat Linux isn't a free distribution software.

One thing I am curious of however, is if there will be hardware chips on MB's, wouldn't that make running Linux on a PC box pretty much pointless? The hardware isn't affected by the OS. It's the other way around actually. The OS has to conform to hardware. So, anyone in the know know if this chip is software ran or is it something that is hardwired, and self contained on the Mother Board?

Also, IBM has already came out with these chips in their Thinkpad line of computers. They call them the truth chip. If these so called truth chips actually do what that article says it does, shouldn't they call it the "Untruth" chip? LOL

Makes that Apple ad from 1984 seem pretty acurate huh? :P

Read my last post wchamlet. -

"You have to remember that the TCPA chip is attached directly to the motherboard, so messing with it could fry everything. You can't access it through programs on your computer. The chip itself has to be modified and I highly doubt many people will want to mess with that ordeal."

Shhhh.. they're watching you...

Yea, i didnt have time to read this whole thing.. but my cousin works for microsoft and has told me a bit about it. Its called palladium and they will never release another OS. This should be the final one.. then you will pay for major updates gradually over time :P. Anyways, i think its a bunch of shit, because sharing files is huge to me as well. I will go over to linux or apple if this happens. there is no way microsoft will crash from this, but it will put a dent in them and make them think about what they have done. If your going to download linux though.. theres subsitudes for all these programs.. photoshop has a substitude.. forgot its name, and supposively maya does as well.. and you know whats the great part... all of its free and they have ALL of the plugins built right into the software.. kinda like super versions! Anyways, i dont want to chat too much.. as i may end up just regurgitating somoene elses post.. cya.


ALrihgt... this is an edit.. i just read some more of this thread and yea.. I didnt know it would be built into the chips. This will kinda suck..as now my computer will just be used for art purposes... hopefully there will be a group of rocket scientest nerds that will take this chip out for us and sell em on the net through ebay! woooohoooo!. Just kiddin. :rolleyes:

Love your avitar Dave B!

Shhhh... I know...

;)

I read your post Darkware, and it still doesn't answer my question. Will the chips only be used by Windows, or will the chips be independantly ran no matter what OS you use on it? That was what I wanted to know. I know it cannot be accessed through the software in the form of hacking, but I'm sure Microsoft has access to it in order for Palladium to work as it does. But if the OS isn't written to access or utilize the "Truth" chips, then maybe all OS's won't be affected by it.

If the chip is OS independant, then all new hardware will have this so called "feature".

I do know one way to avoid all of that mess though. Unplug the CPU from the internet! No more worries! Just use your old box for web surfing, and you should be fine. That is unless the internet is required to run the sofware, which would be a load of poop if that is true.

This whole thing makes me sick. Blech...

PS: The photoshop-like program for Linux, or any Unix flavor (BSD, Mac OS X, Next, Solaris, etc...) is called Gimp. There is no free version of Maya available on any flavor of Unix. There is Wings 3D, which is a great modeller, and there are free renderers out there too. But if you are not Unix savvy then you will have some problems once you delve into command line interfaces. Blender is another free 3D package which is pretty cool, although no where close to Maya. I'm sure all of these programs are already available for Windows, because I already have them for Mac OS X. Suffice it to say these "free" programs are no where near the level of the current programs that you are use to. So be prepared for not being able to do a lot of things that you are use to on your Windows machine.

I've looked into getting a Linux system myself, just to learn the Unix side of it, but Apple's Mac OS X has everything I needed. I quickly learned though that Unix is a whole world unto itself. So if you decide to get a Linux system, get a book. Learn all you can about it. Because you can tweak the OS like there is no tomorrow. Make it run super effecient without all the excess code running that you don't need. That's one good thing about Linux.

I'm all for everyone switching to Linux. That way code libraries can be ported super easily between any Unix OS, meaning that Mac's might get more support from software companies like Discreet or even Softimage. But I doubt it will happen.

From what I read in the article, if your motherboard has TCPA, you can only run Pallidium. No other operating systems will be allowed on that computer.

There is an option to turn TCPA off, however, as I'm sure you will have already guessed, there are severe drawbacks. Read the article if you want to know about them. (third paragraph of question 12 to be precise)

*EDIT* - CONFIRMED - (this is from againstTCPA.com) "The long term result will be that it will be impossible to use hardware and software that's not approved by the TCPA. Presumably there will be high costs to get this certification and that these would be too much for little and mid-range companies. Therefore open-source and freeware would be condemned to die, because without such a certification the software will simply not work. In the long term only the big companies would survive and could control the market as they would like."

I knew they'd tack on a fee.....

even if it is built in to all OS you can still built your own computer which is actualy a good thing for artist unless they go to the computer( I cant think of the name) that is used most by the industry for digital animation and ect in that area. I thought it was a imac but apprently not its got a weird name but the computer is see thorugh and has handles at north and south end if anythone knows what im talking. That will most likely be my next computer. I know it is used at ringling. Is anyone going there by the way. I am applying soon. I am a senior. Does anyone have anyother colleges to recommend? It is very tough to get into get into ringling mostly for animation. I am trying to find other top notch colleges for animation. so I would appreciate any help?

Once again, from www.againsttcpa.com - "So in the USA it would then not be allowed to buy or sell systems that are not TCPA-conform."

A bill might be passed soon.

If this bill passes and you want to build your own computer without TCPA, you better do it now because the tcpa-less hardware simply won't be for sale in the future. Oh and did I mention that if you do buy/sell tcpa-less hardware you can get up to 5 years in prison and fined up to $500,000?

I didnt catch that part. WOW. so eventualy in about 5 years when you need a new computer its destined to be a computer with this B.S. tcpa. even in a apple or a nonmicrosoft computer?

I wouldn't know if Apple would do this or not. I'm sure there will still be other computers that won't have this chipset in them specifically because not everyone is required to be part of this organization.

The TCPA was founded by Compaq, HP, IBM, Intel and Microsoft. So AMD, and other chip manufacturers might not have this "Truth" chip. So there is still a possibility that you could buy AMD motherboards that are TCPA free. The question is if newer software will need Windows Palladium installed in order to run. If that's the case, then who knows what will happen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2094167.stm

HAHA!! This news reporter wrote an entire article about TCPA and thinks that it's a good idea. Near the bottom of the page it has a spot for people to respond. Not ONE SINGLE BLOODY PERSON agreed with him. Everyone hates this junk.

wchamlet - "Intel and AMD appear to plan for the second generation of TCPA functionality to be provided in the main processor for free." - from second paragraph of question 21.

Read the faq, read the faq, read the faq. Press Ctrl + f and you can search for any word in the faq. It makes finding information really easy.

Hmmm... I didn't know that feature. It turns out it's the apple + F key on the Mac. Learn something new everyday. Thanks!

Well, it looks like everyone is screwed on the Windows PC side then. And from your previously edited post, it would seem that even Linux may not run on these motherboards at all. What a bunch of balogne!

http://www.againsttcpa.com/users-against-tcpa.html

Join the fight against TCPA and voice your opinion. I strongly urge you to write intelligent arguments as what you say will be sent directly to companies supporting TCPA. Think about what you say, spell check, make sure you know what you're talking about, and tell them why TCPA should not exist. I already posted, so if you want to read what I said, look for a "Christopher" and click on the name.

There is also a place for webmasters to join. A-hem. *cough* Kevin *cough* A-hem. Excuse me. :)

Uhhhhhh, Can I still download porn with this tcpa thing. If i can it is alright. Ok, Im joking, but being a linux user myself i must say that i will quit using all microsoft products altogether if they decide to go to this tcpa deal. Linux is better than windows anyways, i just dont use it because so many companies dont support it yet(they will soon though). I am all for switching over to linux and putting those retards at microsoft out of business. If you buy anything tcpa related, I will go over to your house and stab you in the toe with a spoon. I am not kidding. Bad Microsoft, BAD!!!!!!!!!!. Kill them all.:mingun: :finger2: :headbang: :2gunfire: :spam3:

"i just dont use it because so many companies dont support it yet(they will soon though)"

Companies may not switch to Linux. I don't know the specifics, but Microsoft may make them sign a contract or something saying that they will only supply PC's with their software. Then again, maybe they won't. Perhaps if they don't and many, many people switch to Linux, companies will realize how big of a market is out there for Linux users and will begin supplying them with software. Let's hope :)

Once again from www.againsttcpa.com is a list of about 200 companies that will use tcpa. Note that this list is slightly old, so by now there may be even more. http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-members.html

The more people that convert to linux, the better. THen companies will get it together and abandon microsoft leaving it to rot on the dirty floor of puke from which it came. If that makes any sense at all I am a genius.

Like i said, microsoft just cannot crash. Even if they stopped selling products and just started giving them all away for free, they could still be in production for quite some time. There going to stick with us like an ant on a marshmellow!

I think it is a very stupid idea, which they don't have thought thru yet as I see it...

if windows is the only OS that can run on a PC after the chip... they will get problems with Monopoly (or what it is called)... and properly within a year someone has craked or found a way to do something about the chip... e.g. it only took a 13 year old boy to break the unbreakable DVD code...

and if a hacker finds it... he would properly have access to every single computer with this chip on, that is connected to the net... no more homebanking would be save after that... no more private life with the PC... have the goverment acctually also thought about what they are saying yes to... or are they getting a chipfree computer... or how about the CIA or FBI on that case...

look out... microsoft is going to rule the world... let's get drunk... :beer: and nothing else matters... :bgreen:

Bill Gates... "hmmm... let's see what the President is having for lunch... hmmm... damn getting a visit from the FBI tomorrow... hmmm... better clean the place... Haha... one more congress member having a affair... going over to my fan list... etc... etc..." a little resume from the future science fiction movie "to Bill or not to Bill... Gates are everywhere..." :D

but if they really are making this chip in the PC and it is sending data to and from my computer... I would suggest they would pay for some of my bandwidth... because why should I pay for unessary datatraffic I haven't ask for... hmmm... I properly allready do that... :(

here is an interview with the emperor in the new world after the chip (NWATC)... "Bill Gates' take on subjects from spam to Mozambique"... -->
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...nterview_x.htm

regards

Strarup

Well, seeing how most software companies asume (most likely because they are misinformed) that this whole chip/software thingamajig is being done to mainly sniff out users that are using "questionable" versions of thier software, if we, SM or any S3DW site, were to support an "ANTI" campaign of any sort, it would, sadly, jeopordize our chances of getting sponsorship:(

Hopefully, the major software manufactures will NOT join the "we don't trust our users" bandwaggon, and get informed about the hazards of this idea, rather than the "so-called" benefits.

time will tell....

Meanwhile, I'm working on my new RAGEcgi.com redesign, and I'll be supporting the "ANTI" movement in there somewhere:)

So getting sponsorship is more important? Reminds me of sports players in major teams who care more bout the money than the sport.

No.

Maintaining a trustworthy appearance and a trustworthy community is more important.

Just like applying for a job, and being honest about your criminal record.

And just like 3DBuzz, and to a lesser extent, Gnomon, sponsorship enables/provides YOU, the end user, with more content, and US the ability to expand your range of content choices.

Wether it be free or otherwise:)

I disagree. I would rather have no TCPA than have all the conveniences of life. ei - "more content" For me, it's about doing the right thing. TCPA is not right as I see it. I would much rather fall in an attempt to stop something I was against than to accept it. I could go into parrallels with religion on this particular subject, but I'll save that for another time perhaps.

Don't get me wrong guys, I'm all for stomping out the "big brother" regeime,
but sadly, at this time, our hands are tied.

This forum & community costs money, and I highly doubt that we would be able to offer anyone anything if we had huge McDonalds banners plastered everywhere, when everyone is here expecting a site all about Alias Wavefront software.

If we DID go the route of having NO sponsorship, we will eventually have to force the site to be subscriber-based, just so we could run it at the level it is today.

...unless one of us wins the lottery, and hadns over a big chunck of cash to keep things running.


It's just like driving your car folks.

You put gas and oil in it in order to drive it, and in doing so, you are closing your eyes to how you were able to get that gas in the fisrst place.

I'm not saying that I shed a tear with every fill-up, but I at least thank my lucky stars that I can get to my crappy job on time.


...not sure if that made sense, but it did at the time.... :)

Ok, I understand where you're coming from. I suppose it all comes down to opinion. And if I do win the lottery or come into a lot of money somehow, I think I will donate some of it to SM since I like it so much. :) Hell, if I work at Rare (near Warwickshire in the UK I think) I might even come down to see Kevin and David and buy some new servers or something. That would be so awsome to give something back.

GREAT ATTITUDE m8!!!!

Thanks for understanding:)

tcpa, bad bad bad bad !!!!!! will never work though anyway. but it will not work becouse its a bad idea and some people know it.