To imax or not to imax Matrix?
 

Soo... will you spend 3€+ and wait the long cue to get the tiket to see Matrix on imax ... or you will see it on whatever you find tikets asap?

Pd: im gonna see it on imax on next monday so i dont want to hear about the end...(it must be open and not much conclusive tough, as they plan to keep pulling money from the cow on the form of videogames and comics...)

I'll see it at the local, Im not really looking forward to it like I was the second, but I need closure on the whole story.

There's no option for "not if they dragged me, kicking and screaming" :(

Imax? .. oh right ... big screen .. d*mn ... not one of those in Vzla .. Premium it is then. :cool:

As Nat says where's the option for 'I'd rather die'?

LoL, there is a list of things that would have made Matrix 2 better, one of which was a time machine to go back in time to tell yourself not to go and see it. :D

I was very disappionted with the second matrix and the third will probably be worse.:p

Oh, c´mon Nat, u know this is like the HolyTrilogy(starwars) you know youll end seeing em all wether you like it or not...:)

Since i expect it to be shit on argument and moderately cool on effects... ill see it on Imax... so that i can then criticise the effects better after :) (if theres any error is impossible for you to not spot it so big and so close to the screen:)

(To any Mod: if you look this give the lady what she wants and alter the poll to show the: "In normal conditions i would only go with a gun pointing at me...."option :))

>>Oh, c´mon Nat, u know this is like the HolyTrilogy(starwars) you know youll end seeing em all wether you like it or not...

You know I wouldn't put money on that if I were you lol.

Hehe... Witchy... youll see it as a satuday evening tv movie eventually. It is a fact... as the sky is blue, you will end watching this movie eventually :D (and same goes for LOTR III)
And im willing to bet whatever you want with you (it will be a lifetime bet... or until you see it... and as i have a higher life expectancy than you...:D it doesnt matters if you can pull the effort of not seeing it... :D)

dragonfx, I despised the new Star Wars movies (episodes 1 & 2), and unless under threat of death will wait until they hit SciFi to see #3. I've not seen the Matrix 2, nor am I holding my breath to do so. I will not pay $8.50 to see it in the theatre and that you can bet on. Trust me, not everyone has the same taste in movies as you and would rather be stoned (and I don't mean drugs) than go see any more Matrix movies.

You can bet if you want, I won't be watching it. My bet actually referred to Nat watching it - if she says she's going to not do something I think you'll find she won't do it.

As Nat says not everyone has the same taste in movies and I certainly have no interest in seeing this one - I have better things to do with my time. If you don't have better things to do with your money feel free to hand it over. :) If you like this movie then that's super, but not everyone feels a pull to watch these sort of films however much they are hyped. I haven't seen the second of the new Star Wars movies because the first was so utterly dreadful, and I hope I never do.

Do I have a lower life expectancy than you because I don't want to waste my time and money watching a badly made, pompously scripted, philisophically hollow, pseudo belief substitute for people with no beliefs, appallingly acted crap fest, or is there some other reason I missed?

Well, I CERTAINLY(93.30%) KNOW I WONT LIKE IT :D (at least on the story level)... yet im 100% sure ill be seeing the most hyped movie of all time on the most hyped and exagerated media that non-digital-celluloid can offer... its one of those funny contradictions...

Here normal cinema costs 5.5/6€, Imax costs 10€... A drink on a nightclub is on the 6 to 10€ range... so ill stick with beer to compensate :D

The second new SW movie was better than the frist(and the holy trilogy is the frist one, not this money puller:)... Im looking forward to Anakin loosing its hand and going bad, tough:D...)
On cinema im pretty much omnivorous so i enjoy almost any range of it... Blockbusters are as good as cineverité or Dogma to me...you can enjoy and learn from both...

And you wont tell me that both of you wont see Matrix3 6 months later(and then every 3 monts mor or less in one channel or another...) when you just are zapping tv and stumble over it...

PD.Witchy: No!. Oh!, you PickyOne:D... You have lower life expentancy because youre well over thirties and im on my early twenties...:D (and it was a joke, ;)you dinosaur;):D just in case you didnt caught it...) Life expectancy in half of the world doesnt have nothing to do with opinions...

As you can read on my title im eclectic and nihilist (and atheist) and proud of it, I dont have the need to have pseuso beliefs, i have zero faith and only believe what has a reasonable probability of being true (subtle "matiz"(hue?) here)...
I would like to be able to say i apply the scientifc method on my beliefs(but i cant do so...yet i try to use Reason on all my acts)
(time ago a gal left me: "why?" "cause youre so... so... reasonable!..." (yes, she said reasonabe, not rational) Heh, at the moment she said she was confused... when she knew exacly how i were going to feel for the next 5 min of conversation!, minute to minute, word after word...).... (hey DarkW how youre going?:))

I wont even waste my time in watching the 3rd at all. If its anything like number 2 then I think I would rather cut the grass.

I quite like cutting the grass.

LOL -

ok then, how bout "slamming my head into a wall"

:D

what kind of grass?:D

It would have to be some pretty strong grass to make me sit through that pain...I can tell ya :)

still Im sure some will enjoy it.....maybe

btw.... I added another option :p

Matrix 3 is amazing. Just saw it. Go see it you won't be disappointed! The whole fight with zion and espically the final fight with Neo and Agent Smith is amazing. The CG doesn't look as bad as Matrix 2 when Neo fights Agent Smith and the ZG on zion war AWSOME!

Ok, I won't as it's obvious you're content to call me a liar. :rolleyes:

O, and thanks Kevin for the new option :beer:

...:)

"contempt=self restrained"?

in spanish "contento=happy"

...no i wouldnt call you liar if you did... i would have asked what made you try so hard to disconnect from the ebb and flow...:D



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PD: whos gonna see it on Imax? (cause i just got some of kevs grass and i sawd it on wachowsky´s brothers brains via ESP...)

Well I am going to see it in a few hours. I am prepaired to see a bad story but I want to see the fights. Finally the walker and the squids. I love that sci fi graphics. It is almost the best the world can offer. We sit here and watch small projects evolve. I am going to see some serious eye candy. I will love if for the CG if nothing else. If you ask me it is well worth the 8.50.

And I would probably ask what makes you so keen to conform to it, when you protest you probably won't like the film anyway. And then we would agree it's called choice, and perhaps you might consider why you assume your choices are fine and others people are useless because they don't match your world view.

I don't happen to want to do what everyone does just because they are doing it, don't see a need to conform to a popular taste unless I like it. Hard as it is to imagine it is not an inevitability that people have to, want to, or will, watch crap movies just because everyone else watches them. Just like if you and 100 people ran off what you told me was a really popular stylish cliff, I wouldn't bother to follow you.

God damn! I knew that '3Ders' were meant to be weird, thats for sure.......but how can all of you sit there and say this? The fact is that the Matrix trilogy has been the pinnacle of special effects in films that others have since attempted to replicate. The story, although maybe not to everybody's tastes, is one of the deepest stories I can recall in a very long time. They even study the films closely in philosophy class at my college!

I just saw it a couple of hours ago and was amazed. The only disappointment I had was when it ended, and only then because it was the end of the trilogy that has lasted 6 years. I can accept that many of you may not like this film, but I disagree with all the comments that it is a 'bad' film in general.

Just my 2 cents :D

How can I sit there and say that? Perhaps they should debate the nature of free will in your college's philosophy class instead. If you want to love the film go ahead, but I sometimes wonder at people who seem to think if you don't buy into a craze you are 'weird' and need to be labelled as a philistine. It's a movie, not a new world order.

Just my 2 'weird' cents.

Lol Witchy, don't take it so personally! :P

I was just saying that the films are good, whether you like them or not. For example, I can admit that some horror films may be 'good', even though I find most of them to be incredibly boring and predictable. But that is just my tastes - I'm not saying for one second that anyone should follow a craze or be considered weird......honest :)

Matrix? What is the Matrix? :D

What I think you are failing to understand is that the fact that the movies are "good" are just your opinion. It is my opinion that they're utter crap. Nice for a bit of mindless entertainment when you've mowed your lawn, washed your hair, pressed all the clothes, and washed the car and now have nothing else to do with your time and every single channel is showing it (including the Weather channel).

You think it's good. I think it's crap. Do I think everyone should think it's crap? No. As there are some movies I like which I'm sure others think are totally horrid. In the same vein, just because you think this pile o' poo is good doesn't mean everyone else should, also.

This is neither weird, taking it personally, or anything other than having a difference of opinion. The thing I find infinitely amusing is people finding 'hidden meanings' and great depth to what is the biggest cotton-candy movie I've seen in ages. :beer: Must be something in the water. ;)

Actually the philosophical questions the Matrix trilogy discusses, are actually "refritos" (refried) philosophical questions which have been discussed since the greeks started the whole shit.

I think what this trilogy offered was simply a great time, some action coupled with two or three "questions" that made everybody kinda start wondering what many have been wondering for centuries.

*BTW: Everyone here knows I do like the movies, I had a great time at both, even though the first one was better than the second in my opinion. I know at least I´ll have fun in the third one. By the way, I thought I would see it today, but damnit ... our girl actually reserved with her credit card for another movie. She plainly messed us all up. :p (Going tomorrow I think)

Ah, very good point. :cool:
Gotta love this girl.

I love you too adl (blows kisses) :D

Just went and saw it with the intension that it was only going to be eye candy. I was wrong. I loved it. I saw it on a regular theater and now I will go back and ee it on an IMAX. the way I look at it is like the original starwars. Empire stikes back they leave you with Han Solo frozel. Luc missing a hand and the rebels on the run. It did not rate well. Either did Return of the Jedi if you look at your history. If you do not go see it you will wish you did. You do what you want. I like all of you. Do what you feel right doing.

I will pop up my "lurky" head and make a comment or two on Matrix Revolutions....

The CG and composition is simply stunning. I watched in awe as live actors were seamlessly transitioned to CG characters and back again, as thousands upon thousands of squid models were animated in incredibly intricate patterns... it was more than I ever expected. I sat there wondering whether I should throw in the towel and uninstall Maya, or take inspiration and know that although I may never achieve one tenth of one percent of what the ESC have done, I can certainly enjoy trying.

However, I have a real problem with the formulaic nature of the film. The battle sequence is filled with gushy hero speak... "Just give me a chance sir! I won't let you down", "If he were here, what would he do?", "lets give them hell" and so on. Indeed, this is not limited to the battle sequence. The clever, enigmatic dialog of the first film has been abandoned for the standard "I'll die for you", "while there is a breath in his body..." type speak.

For me the only real relief from this was Mr. Smith who transcends himself into complete evil and in the Neo/Smith "high-noon" style showdown I was practically cheering him on. It was this showdown that reminded me of the qualities of the first film. When the fight reduces itself to a simple martial arts battle in an empty warehouse, it reaches it's pinnacle as we are reminded of the first fight between Neo and Morpheus. Afterwards, it reaches epic proportions both in it's significance and technical excellence.

As we approach the end of the film, all of my questions were finally answered and I was left happy that I had seen it, throughly entertained with just a tinge of disappointment.

>>Just like if you and 100 people ran off what you told me was a really popular stylish cliff, I wouldn't bother to follow you.

Haahahhahahaaaa... I already did that, some time ago, speaking to Adl about The angel Falls!:D, hehehehhehe.... (and, damn!, i sure would jump from that cliff if i had the resources and knew enough of base jumping to do it...)

>>And I would probably ask what makes you so keen to conform to it, when you protest you probably won't like the film anyway. And then we would agree it's called choice, and perhaps you might consider why you assume your choices are fine and others people are useless because they don't match your world view

Damn righty! witchy-man. If it was true... Did you noticed you are all the time assuming i(and others) deprecate things(your (or other people) opinions for example...) BEFORE i express my opinion about them?:)
Anyways I say im eclectic cause i watch, do, and absorb from anithing there is. That means exploring both closed and mainstream paths, just limited by the time and money i can put on it. (And this movie is just a trivial manifestation of those myriad things).
While i follow my own path i like to have empathy and trying to understand why this or that is popular among the bigest numbers of people, you cant do that witout experiencing it. Who knows you might end liking it... (in that im in disaccord with ya...i dont say No! beforehand... yes i might have lots of "prejudgements?" but i actively work to break em and replace em with rational opinions instead of holding to them no matter what(and without it being a precedent, yes, in this matter you can say im actively telling you you shift paradigm...)

I just cant say other people choices are useless if only because there would be in this planet noone that has made exactly the same choices as i have:)(and i have to admit that in some of those chices i was wrong, so what, admit and learn) So on a normal basis i dont do that kind of thing...
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>> The story, although maybe not to everybody's tastes, is one of the deepest stories I can recall in a very long time.

You could find more deeper stoys on cinema if you looked hard enough...
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>>What I think you are failing to understand is that the fact that the movies are "good" are just your opinion.

Cheers! on that phrase (and not in saying matrix is crap) you just destroyed the beliefs of lots of writers and storytellers that went trough lots years of education believing that there are certain things that objectively make storys good...:)
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>> Actually the philosophical questions the Matrix trilogy discusses, are actually "refritos" (refried) philosophical questions which have been discussed since the greeks started the whole shit.
I think what this trilogy offered was simply a great time, some action coupled with two or three "questions" that made everybody kinda start wondering what many have been wondering for centuries.

Agreed...
What made this movie a monetry success was having just the right(and small) dose of refried philosophy and the big dose of fights and FX, thats the trend:(...
It would have been great if it truly explored philosophical questions(it wouldnt have been such a success), but think of it as having made the path easyer for future storytellers...


And now i have spent 10 mins on this post so ill stop here till after dinner... Flame! come to me!:D

I hated the effects in the second one, not all of them mind you. I thought the fight sequences we're very dull, totally OTT. The rubber neo syndrome. It just didn't look real to me.

I will see the third part at some point, but not un till it hits TV.

I whish they had left it as one film.

Its the kind of film that you just know how its going to end before you have seen it IMO

As soon as I see that a 2nd and 3rd installment where being released I knew the ending, but I wont say as I wouldnt want to spoil it for you guys :)

I was also disapointed with the second one. The smith fight in that one almot got boring the same way if some is scatching your back and stays in the same spot to long it starts to hurt. I think the music score in the second was very dull and unappropriate at most times. The third was not as good as the first but was a very pleseant surprise.

Almost seems to me the proverbial cliff is the fact you will not see the movie in theatures. How could you be a CG major, spend hours in front of the computer looking at wireframe, get insomnia from a render because you want to see how it comes out and then out of principal say you will not see it. I do not feel the ending was very "Hollywood".

>>Damn righty! witchy-man. If it was true... Did you noticed you are all the time assuming i(and others) deprecate things(your (or other people) opinions for example...) BEFORE i express my opinion about them?

No actually what I noticed was you deciding what was right and painting other peoples views as ignorant. Which you are still doing, but now you have decided to also make it personal, which slightly puzzles me, but if you cannot 'win' a debate one way, try another I suppose. But it might be worth remembering that personal comments such as the ones you are seeing fit to make now are usually the last resort of those who have run out of coherent arguments. Now it is not about the issue - you deciding what is good for others, but about me taking it personally. How convenient. But unfortunately not the case, I don't take anything you have said personally, it really doesn't matter to me on that level at all.

You have now, on numerous occasions, informed people they WILL see this film whether by accident or not and what is more now, they apparently SHOULD see it because that somehow represents a great consideration for closed minds. Myself and others have told you we have no interest in seeing it, nor shall we, yet still you persist. The way you carry on one would think you had shares in the production.

Whatever happened to freedom of choice and expression in your happy paradigm?

If you want to see what I think are crappy movies and call it mind expanding that is fine, but you persistently denigrate other peoples views to try and prove your point and that is what I have taken issue with - if you have such empathy and such an open mind one would imagine you could tolerate a simple 'I am not going to see this film as I think it is bollocks' without embarking on some campaign of semi religious conversion.

On the flame point, if you cannot have a debate without flaming or believing that every point made by someone that does not agree with you is a flame then I intend having nothing further to do with this debate. This is not personal, nor does it need to be taken personally and contrary opinions are no more necessarily flames than they are wrong.

If I wanted to shift paradigm to your position by, variously, leaping to conclusions about the thoughts of others, mocking them for not following my perception of perceived wisdom and suggesting that seeing a bad movie for the sake of fitting in is somehow an allegory for the need to broaden horizons in real life, perhaps I would follow your advice and example. As it is, I think I would rather jump off the aforementioned cliff.

*In the best Beavis & Butthead voice*
Whoa ... that was deep dude. huh huh huh
Tits .. huh huh ... huh

Easy dudes, .. :p