ckyuk, Great response, thats exactly how i did it!! Sorry its been a while for an update...getting far along..but i am trying to decide how to do the forks....stilll any ideas guys??? You guys give me to much credit for my work...lol. But, let me know your ideas on the forks! THanks for the reponses, Brian BTW my stuff shouldn't depress you....but loard of the rings should lol...great stuff