i think DgAPc means Surfaces -> Extrude Surface. That option does indeed work a lot better. in fact the part on the pic where it is good is an Extruded surface. and the bad part has been created with a planar surface. i have updated the last pic on the page with some explanation. https://www.lostdesign.be/maya/problem.htm so basicly i think i shouldn't use planar surfaces... the loft works great because it uses the same isoparms as the curve , and the lofted surface van be attached to the other surfaces , but this is not the case with planar surfaces. but then how do i create something like i want to make in maya ? its freaking me out do all the models out there have gaps in them if you zoom into them real close ot what ?