Thanks dragonsfire and Nailed, perhaps in the future I will turn the heat up in the 3D space she is in to prevent someone from losing an eye. Well, I started to work on the face some more, I had made an ear which is not shown which I like, following the Joan of Arc tutorial https://www.3dtotal.com/ffa/tutorials...c/joanmenu.asp but I noticed when I was trying to rework the face that the model I have: a. is leaning her head back so it threw off some placements. b. is a poor quality image so I can't get the detail I need So I removed the connecting surfaces and kept the features that I put a good deal of time into. I am now joining them together and I will try to get some quality geometry into the face, hopefully I can control how she looks, rather than just her appearing some way and me accepting it. Any suggestions for modeling a face? Tips that you think make a model look great?