Originally posted by Jango Hey Guys.... But.... at the end of the day its the artist that count not his tools. _J Well, i 'm going to disagree with your statement here... although yea, people say that to put an end asonine app wars, but u cannot seriously say that it's the artist and not his tools. with out the right tools, no matter how great an artist is his work might be crap. it's like saying, yea, i can do in bryce what maya can, or i'll use strata3d do make some cool fx or crowd simulation... or make a "cool" animation in max without using any plugins! (and i quote cool) at the end of the day, it is the right tools that will get an artist's hardwork noticed. u need the right renderer, u need the right UVtools and modeling tools, u need the right paint package, u need the right soft body simulation etc... let's just say each app has their fair share of Pros and Cons. and yes i beleive Mirai is still around.