thanks guys I hope i finish too! yeah yeah! translucent wings!! I want that! here is an early render... i feel like i am speeding through this too quickly and not spending the time i would like on certain things. But thats my own fault for entering late :/ how do i get rid of the jagged edges of the non ray traced shadows? i cant remember?!?! I adjusted the bias (i think thats what i did) to .4, which made it a bit better... anyway here is a quick and dirty render...