I have had a million discussions on such things but really try not to get involved now. At the end of the day I have seen some amazing things done in lightwave, maya, 3dmax, xsi and the list goes on. I remember once having a chat with mr phillips once about the different programmes / the best /etc... and we both decided that "it does not matter" Yep we all have our favorites as some we use more then others, but they are all good. I speak of my frustration of max due to the fact that I just couldnt get it doing anything I wanted lol....but I have seen some "amazing" stuff out there with max... stuff that I could only dream of doing ! These debates although good to hear different views are kinda pointless if we cant keep things humane and without ripping each others heads off Its ok to have a little fun and a laugh but lets reframe from the swearing as it hurts my ears. GO GO GO MAYA!!!!!! ALL THE WAY