ok... well this is the thing, i decided to go back to maya 5, i figured that i could model in that, to keep myself learning, and just stick to things without hair, blah blah blah, anyway, i stared out, fine, no problems, then all of a sudden, the same thing , computer crashes, this never used to happen, incidentally, i've reinstalled a fresh with a new computer, could it be a conflict or an incompatability with the video card do you think? its very annoying and its stopping me progressing, i've just spent loads of money on a better system purely so i can throw myself into 3D animation and it seems i can't (holds back tears) if anyone has any ideas i would be very grateful, and thank yuou for your reply aswell, anything helps.... Andy