little update. C&C please, been working my hardest and there are absolutely no 5 sided polys! only 3's and 4's. Also trying some different render modes. Just got back from FL and started working on this, also downloaded some tutorials while I was down there visiting my school, they have fiberobtic net, 15mbs, I about kissed the guy's feet for letting me use it, we just got wireless and fiber is about 200x faster, can't belive I once used dial up not two months ago. :bow: to fiber