thx blomkaal. I tried to make the best of your hint and came with this https://tonga.globat.com/~episode6.co...en_blazer2.jpg I've also nearly finished the head. I've never done a head model before, but I found a tut that showed how to make one using front and side reference. So I took some shots of myself and used those. I'm not happy with the mouth area yet. I'll work on that later this week. https://tonga.globat.com/~episode6.com/progress_head.jpg