Here's a character I did a while back to hopefully show you what I mean: tkx matt, your model helped me figure out what you guys mean. And t1ck135, about the hand i just realized that the character in the game uses a glove, so i changed his hand a little, here's an update... and as i'm short in time, i'm not going to make his cloth, instead i'll texture them on... here's a close on the hand so you guys can see better what i mean... i'll post a picture of the body wire later