hey dave, so do you think i should add more loops inside the lips and try to give them a better shape? and add bit more detail around the eyes in the same way as well? i have no artistic skills, can't draw a straight line and i don't have much of imagination. i can look at an image and try to copy it. but, in the areas around forehead, cheeks, eyes; where the front and sideview images can't tell you much, i get very confused. anyway, i'll give it a try tomorrow. here's the wire from the side. my loops in this one too, are not entirely correct, and so i ended up having more line in the chin area then i would have liked...