thanks for the input guys, like i said above i have been out with the wife and we got a new vac on sunday the purple one also its the Animal or something slightly different but anyone who has the Yellow version yeah id love to have some pics posted up "so get em up ) i rendered using mental ray res =HD1080 also finalgather caustics and global ill. and just play with the settings till i see something i like just trial and error really. personally i think your render is most important that and lighting. so mess with them loads,