Yeah, I could just email them, but as far as i can see, they only talk about fusion 5, so i was wondering if Fusion 4 Trial would be available for download somewhere? - or perhaps if anyone else has a copy of the trial install file they could email me?? I've done a fair amount of searching without success. -- but yeah, i suppose i should just email them and get v5, - would that be better than using say, After Effects for example? Ive been trying Combustion trial and that leaves a big red X on anything output, I'm guessing something similar happens in most trial versions??