Originally posted by MattTheMan omg, that first one is not a picture? and its rendered in Maya software render? HOLY SH*T! first impression is a picture, then it looks like a VRay render in 3ds Max. No it is not done in Maya. Your second choice is correct. The first render was done in Max, but not really sure if it was with VRay's. However, Maya can do the same. In addition these renders come from the tutorial link that pyrus gave me, and I was using it as an example of why I don't like the tutorial. Mostly it is because the person who did the tutorial likes using ambient light and everytime I try using ambient light my renders come out looking dead. He says that if the render comes out lifeless then it means you have too much gray in it. I tried adjusting the color and added more saturation, but my renders still come out horrible.