kennez, first person that sees how i view things... ive never had any problems with ATI so i mite aswell stick with them, i dont mind trying out GeForce only if there are a majority of reasons for changing over such as compatability, price and performance etc... hmmm... I guess i could try sell my PNY Quadro on Ebay and raise a wee bit more cash... shame the quadro i have is AGP grrr lol oh well