As far as getting rid of my triangels I will agrea and try to work on that. As far as my edge looping, I think it is pretty solid. Here is a picture with the wireframe over my actual picture. Corect me if I am wrong but it all looks good to me. there is just a lot more geometry than your example. Please if you see somthing wrong tell me. I have put allot of work into making sure my edge looping was correct. I learned my edge looping from Jason Osipa's book Stop Staring. If you can point somthing out that is incorect please do I would rather know now than later. Thanks for the help!