Thanks jay I'd be happy to do a shave and haircut tutorial once I've figured it out more I'm saving up for Zbrush at the minute but if you twist my arm enough then I could swap it for a full version of shave and a haircut Not gonna change much - just a bit of touchup to remove the grid and address the nose shininess. I also spotted that the skin on the edge of the ear is showing through and is looking a bit too grey. Cheers magicsy, thanks for the point about the nose - I upped the specular on it but as you say it looks a little too shiny now.