uummm, I have version 3 or 4 of Max, so I take it it is not a far leap of imagination to thinkyou would advise loading it and learning it?

of course only as a support thing for Maya:blush:

i've only loaded it once for about a week. I got it in a store sale and thought it may come in handy one day

your killing it with the model tim, hope your not killing yourself doing tht much detail. One wonders if it for a portfolio maybe a bunch of smaller but as deatailed models?? ,with advanced lights and refractions (whatever they are) just a thought!? no doubt your a few jumps ahead.