yes autodeskt vs autodesk, it took the fun outta the original debates. Apperently nothing changes, well with max that is. Went to one of the roadshows they did in london and they said that it was still the same programmers up in Canada. Same building same everything. Just the name changed. Thou that was right after autodesk bought max. Its been sometime now... if autodesk ruins max... well there is always XSI... always did want to learn that.