mmoore if you look at the lambo, you see how by the borders there are ALOT of close edges. Thats also how Dilbert does it and alot of real good modeler do it. Its excellent because as I said earlier, when you do a poly smooth, it makes shapr edges so that if you want to edit it later, you can go to your poly smooth and set the itterations to 0 where as going to subD and doing partial creases and full creases, when you convert the subD to poly using adaptive, you will end up with alot more polys and you want as few as possible so when editing it, you have a better chance of keeping your mesh very smooth. Greate technique and I mean its tough to understand but thats why under the lamo I said I like the chamfer if 3ds max because it handles making close edges very good but it takes practice. If I showed you my folder where the eclipse rest, you will see I have about 14 files because im still learning so I make alot of istakes so I always make extras so I can test and see the results I get so My advice to you is just try out different techniques.