okay sorry about no update in long time. I have been studying and practicing over and over. here is update. C and C is always welcome . i have learned alot from you all and hope to learn more. also put one up with beak and one with pointed. not sure if pointed or not . well let me know .. cant hurt my feelings on what you all think. thanks in advanced . hopefully you can tell a difference from the so called sea gull . also i totally started over from scratch that is why so long on update