Kurt, Thanks for respnding, tried both options. 1st one was less work, just had to adjust some verts, which gave the desired resluts. Learned a great amount in regards to "hard" surface modeling. I'd like to lean about "soft" surface modeling & need a visually/verbally informative dvd that reflects this teaching. Got my eye on the TRex package. Does this package provide/illustrate the soft surface/organic techniques? Fess