JAy, Tried both of those Its stumping me.. I'm thinking of just cutting it in half and mirroring the good side over, and cheating my way out of it.. TD not sure where i'm ging with it yet.. I thought of modeling the Defiant to go with it and maybe an Akira class ship, or Intrepid class ship.... Possibly a ..eh... Whats Enterprise E?.. dunno for sure yet though.. I just wanted to model it so i started the model.. I'll try and update tonight G