99G thx for comments, the render is just MR with and MR occlusion node mapped to the color of a blinn shader. Very basic actually. I may end up doing a Final Gather render once I'm done with him. I added a belly button already and did more tweaks to the legs and torso. Now im thinking about what kinds of cloths to put on him...he wont have many cloths on. Ive never rigged anything before but id love to experiment setting up a walk cycle with him.