once again thx 4 kind words. got to this stage then started to change it alittle https://www.ravage3d.com/images/neils...pdate_17_1.jpg reshaped the body alittle and completly rebuilt the cockpit. https://www.ravage3d.com/images/neils...pdate_17_3.jpg https://www.ravage3d.com/images/neils...pdate_17_2.jpg going to remake the arm protectors to match the smoothmess of the cockpit and then start on the inside of cockpit. man I have loads of spare polys left:attn: . it is 30,000 tri ain`t ????