sweet as, exactly what i wanted... thanks Simon.

"There's a tute on modelling a screwdriver and rendering it in mental ray around somewhere that uses the kitchen image."

haha as a matter of fact im just doing it now, thats when i needed a hdri image lol. for some reason when i follow online tutorials for rendering only, my renders became different ill post it in W.I.P some time tomorrow soo that i can really get it perfect.

well im going to go to sleep now, 4:30am :p

Marlon