LMAO Nurbs master......if you could see some of the messes i can get myself in with nurbs you wouldn't be saying that! In regard to the panel outlines, is your render set at just a low quality? [/B] Theres a load of stuff i need to do to sort the panels, I need to add fillets so you cant look straight thru the gaps which makes them look like the gaps stop in places. I need to continue the gap round the side bits if you get what i mean. Also i think that at 640x480 from some angles the gaps are less the 1px thick so they break up. I'm going to see if i can quickly sort it out and then I'll post a larger update from my webspace.....fingers crossed coz i'm making this up as i go along lol