well i shall head off to bed even though its the start of my holidays ... 4:16am here in melbourne and plus in a couple of hours i will be having a lan party at my house :headbang: thanks for the help again, anyone else like to share some ideas or some free tutorials/tips... cheers, marlon EDIT: "Michelangelo's Pieta" LOL! ill have it finished in a sec :p have fun ...