thanks mastone and daffas - yeah - i'm sort of sick of nurbs at the moment - i'm definitely going to keep working on the taxi, but i need to figure out how to make some of the parts. not sure if i've seen the nissan tutorial, but i'm definitely interested if you still have it daffas. here's another render - more billboards and have been adding details here and there such as the windows on the red neon building. no gangsters just yet.