:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: (I was going to include more of these but if you go above a certain number you can't post) wow I cannot believe that you made a mini tute for my problem. This is amazing thumbs up for that I owe you one. -and it did work!!!:attn: But its still crazy I did exactly what you did before apart from giving the circle 36 sections (mine had 30) and (that might be the crucial point) not rotating the path curve 90 degrees in x. I had mine flat on my grid. -and well it flattens the whole thing out. How can maya be so picky? anyway what can I say this is great thanks so much again I really don't know what to say