@arran - thanks man.
@The maya man - no i just hit smooth, cause i know that subdivs and mental ray dont get along all the time, dunno if that has been fixed in 8.5. the lights are all modeled nothing here is textured

Also if anyone wants to see the tut i can send it to you just pm me, its not great but its my first tut, when im done with my concept car i will be writing another one on tire and rim modeling.