hehe... well I started with maya like 4 years ago. yeah wooow thats a long time , sure it is ermm I wouldnt be able to say exactly in how many time I did it but I think it was in 4 or 5... maybe 6? but I dont think so... well as an interesting experiment I'll try to count the time I'm spending in modeling I already thoght of doing that, but Im too lazy to do al the rig xD. And if I want to model wrinkles in the cloth too it would be easier to model them if the character is directly doing his pose