LOL, man you made the point TWICE??.., I hear you I forgot about the naming convention.., if I had of thought for a second I would have fixed that before I sent it to you embarrassing! Usually I do, I understand the importance of this for myself and others it may be handed to. This is absolute law in post sound and all areas of film. (as you know) Jay, i dont do maya at uni.., I do post production sound (honors) in film and video.., and use maya whenever I can sneak it in (the odd project here and there in the topics) .., wish I did do maya at uni. I will take your suggestions on board in a serious way, I respect your good self and advice and know you dont talk for the sake of it. thanks for the help