Toxic...Duuuuude! hey thanks man, much appreciated, you people here are too kind, (bows head humbly, with eyes like Puss In Boots from Shrek) Im just a man doing his thing. I dontthink you can ever know enough anatomy, theres always something you notice. I think the main thing is to get proportions right, thats first and foremost, then learn the subtleties later, I hope thats what Ive done Yeah I didnt get a chance with the drawings today, as I was very busy at work with deadline graphics for tomorrows paper. Hopefully Monday night. Will update this later on... Cheers Jay