XtremeAMX: thanks mate!

marlonjohn: cheers! not sure which bit you mean though - it's based on a corner of my office at work, so I did measure, but I'll check the height.

t1ck135: probably mental ray. yeah - i tend to really like modelling and then lose interest when I get to texturing, so this time i'm going to try to stick with it.

Some Guy: easy. I just drew a curve for the profile. then extruded a circle for one wire. Moved the pivot and duplicated 97 or so more in a circle for the front cage and then duplicated some more for the back. ha ha nice avatar - kind of reminds me of cookie monster at the end.

no update just yet. I started texturing but now my laptop is giving me some problems... of course. :headbang: