G-Man I had a go with Soft, very nice, but as Im in Maya mode so to speak Im just going to go with that, get shave in a month or two, with a bit of luck. But the way things have been it could be sooner. Soft is great, given a month I think I'd get on with it real nice. Similar to Maya in many ways, but different, if that makes sense. But I need to get on with stuff so figured no point arsing with other 'wares' getting into Zb was bad enough LOL, not that I regret that of course! BUMP MAP....Doh!! Cheers for now _J