So your using reflected light rather than direct, like in the movies. What kind of material are they, settings etc? Still using my basic lights, will tweak it later/tomorrow. Had a better set up when I was tweaking the sss along with a tutorial. Got a couple more images here, been tweaking again in the last hour or so, I think they're getting better - moved them further back in the head, closer together, but I'm still not too happy with the shape. Look ok in one view, but the 3/4 doesn't convince.]# Again, feedback appreciated. thanks, gubar