I took your advice about the clavicles (which I just added) and trapezius. By the way, I DO think it reads quite well as a human. I'll post my latest update soon so you'll be able to judge it... One more thing - I do use references a LOT! I collected a folder with 1/2 MB full of them. When comparing the model to the reference, the only meaningful differences were (mostly as you said): *thumb is too long *last segment of the pinky is too short *lack of fingers on the foot (which I'm about to fix soon) One more thing - Can someone please post a topology and reference for a shoulder blade? I can't quite get it right... One last thing - Where's 'Maya vector renderer'? Note: I know almost nothing about rendering (Sorry for writing such a huge post. I had a lot to refer to... lol) Thanks in advance, Benny